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Atvarussmak
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Maiden didn't rebel agaist thacher did they. Thats why there not mentioned. I don't think they would have any need to rebel agaist it. If you want stuff like that listen to billy brag.
Atvarussmak
Trooper
Almost everybody at the time was hating her goverment. Take something like ben eltons comedy, the young ones. She did have some bad ideas, but you could say that about the prime minister at the moment, tony blair. Dead ringers is a good example of this.
Who else at the time could he have done that to.
Who else at the time could he have done that to.
The Ancient Mariner
Ancient Mariner
Thatcher was a no good prime-minister, living a capitalist anti-working class political belief. Taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich. Over 3 million unemployed, strikes, Winter Of Discontent, abolishment of free milk in schools, declaring wars on obscure little islands...
The problem was that people did, and still do, think she was the best ever thing to happen to the UK. I personally live in a very Tory area and I often hear people singing praises of Thatcher and the Conservatives all the time, saying how great a leader she was and stuff.
Personally though, I think she ruined this country for ever and the aftermath of her years in power shall last for many years to come.
Having said that, Tony Blair isn't much better either. I personally would vote Lib Dem but I don't even trust them with some of their latest policies so I'll probably be spoiling my ballot when I get to 21. Sad but true [!--emo&
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The problem was that people did, and still do, think she was the best ever thing to happen to the UK. I personally live in a very Tory area and I often hear people singing praises of Thatcher and the Conservatives all the time, saying how great a leader she was and stuff.
Personally though, I think she ruined this country for ever and the aftermath of her years in power shall last for many years to come.
Having said that, Tony Blair isn't much better either. I personally would vote Lib Dem but I don't even trust them with some of their latest policies so I'll probably be spoiling my ballot when I get to 21. Sad but true [!--emo&
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Spoiling a ballot is a perfectly acceptable democratic action. It implies dislike of all candidates.
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Anonymous
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To answer the first question, Maiden is not quoted in the article, because they didn't write any political songs at the time. So, apart from a single cover, where the band show only the general trend of a generation, well, there is no need to quote them on that subject.
Concerning ballots and vote, well...
I agree with LooseCanon, this is true, it can be a way of showing you don't want any of the candidates. The trouble is "blank ballot" is not recognized in most country. And basically, spoiling a ballot paper therefore means let the others decide. And I very much disagree with that.
First, we are lucky to live in democracy, where, once in a while, we can give our opinion.
Second, we are not leaving in a perfect world. You can't expect to have a candidate of your choice at any election. I think that, when you're voting, you're saying your will to go towards a certain direction of governing. But you're not supposed to accept all the government doings. I mean, instead of letting the others choose for you, at least, you can choose the less "worse" of the candidates.
Basically, it's what I did on the last presidential election in France. We had to choose between a rotten candidate (the actual president... no comment) and a racist, a despicable pig. Well I chose the rotten one and I chose democracy. It was the first time I hadn't the candidate I would have willingly vote for on the last tour. It was really a very unpleasant moment when I put my ballot paper in the enveloppe. I knew perfectly well that the next 5 years will be a political nightmare. But when the results where known on the evening, it was also really a relief to see that most of the others voters went to massively say "No" to intolerance and racism.
I think that, sometimes, a ballot paper can also be use to say "here is what I don't want".
Concerning ballots and vote, well...
I agree with LooseCanon, this is true, it can be a way of showing you don't want any of the candidates. The trouble is "blank ballot" is not recognized in most country. And basically, spoiling a ballot paper therefore means let the others decide. And I very much disagree with that.
First, we are lucky to live in democracy, where, once in a while, we can give our opinion.
Second, we are not leaving in a perfect world. You can't expect to have a candidate of your choice at any election. I think that, when you're voting, you're saying your will to go towards a certain direction of governing. But you're not supposed to accept all the government doings. I mean, instead of letting the others choose for you, at least, you can choose the less "worse" of the candidates.
Basically, it's what I did on the last presidential election in France. We had to choose between a rotten candidate (the actual president... no comment) and a racist, a despicable pig. Well I chose the rotten one and I chose democracy. It was the first time I hadn't the candidate I would have willingly vote for on the last tour. It was really a very unpleasant moment when I put my ballot paper in the enveloppe. I knew perfectly well that the next 5 years will be a political nightmare. But when the results where known on the evening, it was also really a relief to see that most of the others voters went to massively say "No" to intolerance and racism.
I think that, sometimes, a ballot paper can also be use to say "here is what I don't want".
Sadly, in countries where spoiling a ballot can occur, most people are not wise to this form of protest.
[!--QuoteBegin-LooseCannon+May 9 2004, 12:10 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(LooseCannon @ May 9 2004, 12:10 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--] Spoiling a ballot is a perfectly acceptable democratic action. It implies dislike of all candidates. [/quote]
To vote blanc, yes, if possible.
Not to show up at the election hall/place (where you vote) is less acceptable, but it happens, anyway.
To vote blanc, yes, if possible.
Not to show up at the election hall/place (where you vote) is less acceptable, but it happens, anyway.
The Ancient Mariner
Ancient Mariner
Spoiling a ballot is accepted in the UK, and the election results often list the spoilt ballots.
It's a better, more acceptable way of wasting a vote than not bothering to turn up. I find not turning up to be more unacceptable and is an even better way of letting the others decide. At least spoiling your ballot shows you made the effort to go out and voice your opinion.
It's a better, more acceptable way of wasting a vote than not bothering to turn up. I find not turning up to be more unacceptable and is an even better way of letting the others decide. At least spoiling your ballot shows you made the effort to go out and voice your opinion.
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
Well this is from that same article, it is one of the responses "Strange, at least, that the article omits the mention of "The" front cover...Iron Maiden' Sanctuary, featuring Eddie slaying the Prime Minister.
Marco, Brighton, UK"
About voting, to me "democracy" in it's modern state is like freedom, a mere illusion to give people a false sense of power and control. As for never having a candidate of your liking...well then you are choosing the better of the two evils, and the thing about choosing the better of two evils is THAT ITS STILL EVIL. So if you never find what TO YOU is the perfect candidate, then always vote blank.
Marco, Brighton, UK"
About voting, to me "democracy" in it's modern state is like freedom, a mere illusion to give people a false sense of power and control. As for never having a candidate of your liking...well then you are choosing the better of the two evils, and the thing about choosing the better of two evils is THAT ITS STILL EVIL. So if you never find what TO YOU is the perfect candidate, then always vote blank.
StrangerInAStrangeLand
Ancient Mariner
[!--QuoteBegin-The Ancient Mariner+May 9 2004, 06:48 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(The Ancient Mariner @ May 9 2004, 06:48 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--] Spoiling a ballot is accepted in the UK, and the election results often list the spoilt ballots.
It's a better, more acceptable way of wasting a vote than not bothering to turn up. I find not turning up to be more unacceptable and is an even better way of letting the others decide. At least spoiling your ballot shows you made the effort to go out and voice your opinion. [/quote]
I completely agree. Not voting or spoiling your ballot doesn't show that you have any opinion about the candidates.
It's a better, more acceptable way of wasting a vote than not bothering to turn up. I find not turning up to be more unacceptable and is an even better way of letting the others decide. At least spoiling your ballot shows you made the effort to go out and voice your opinion. [/quote]
I completely agree. Not voting or spoiling your ballot doesn't show that you have any opinion about the candidates.
[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+May 10 2004, 01:41 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ May 10 2004, 01:41 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--] Well this is from that same article, it is one of the responses "Strange, at least, that the article omits the mention of "The" front cover...Iron Maiden' Sanctuary, featuring Eddie slaying the Prime Minister.
Marco, Brighton, UK"
About voting, to me "democracy" in it's modern state is like freedom, a mere illusion to give people a false sense of power and control. As for never having a candidate of your liking...well then you are choosing the better of the two evils, and the thing about choosing the better of two evils is THAT ITS STILL EVIL. So if you never find what TO YOU is the perfect candidate, then always vote blank. [/quote]
In a lot of countries, Onhell, there's not just 2 choices like in America. For instance, when I go to vote in the next Canadian election, I'll likely have six or seven choices on my ballot. European countries, especially PR based ones can have quite a few.
Marco, Brighton, UK"
About voting, to me "democracy" in it's modern state is like freedom, a mere illusion to give people a false sense of power and control. As for never having a candidate of your liking...well then you are choosing the better of the two evils, and the thing about choosing the better of two evils is THAT ITS STILL EVIL. So if you never find what TO YOU is the perfect candidate, then always vote blank. [/quote]
In a lot of countries, Onhell, there's not just 2 choices like in America. For instance, when I go to vote in the next Canadian election, I'll likely have six or seven choices on my ballot. European countries, especially PR based ones can have quite a few.
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Anonymous
Guest
I agree we all know that politics lie all the time, that they want power...
But I think voting is our only chance to let them know we exist. (Well, that and strike...)
Anyway I know that my vote is nothing usually, but sometimes it can stop the worse. That's at least something.
But I think voting is our only chance to let them know we exist. (Well, that and strike...)
Anyway I know that my vote is nothing usually, but sometimes it can stop the worse. That's at least something.
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
[!--QuoteBegin-Le Hibou - The Owl+May 10 2004, 08:53 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Le Hibou - The Owl @ May 10 2004, 08:53 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--] (Well, that and strike...)
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Any ideas on how to start a World-wide strike? Who cares against what... I just think it would be very cool to see that one day.
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Any ideas on how to start a World-wide strike? Who cares against what... I just think it would be very cool to see that one day.
[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+May 13 2004, 08:32 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ May 13 2004, 08:32 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--] Any ideas on how to start a World-wide strike? Who cares against what... I just think it would be very cool to see that one day. [/quote]
A very interesting idea. Would be worth to contemplate and spread the word to others, to see what they think. Should there be a world strike against corrupt politicians and general dissatisfaction with politicians? I wouldn't rule out the possibility. It would be hella cewl.
A very interesting idea. Would be worth to contemplate and spread the word to others, to see what they think. Should there be a world strike against corrupt politicians and general dissatisfaction with politicians? I wouldn't rule out the possibility. It would be hella cewl.