Is Maiden's Music Really Better Live?

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I'd like to come out and say it--I've never seen Iron Maiden live. I'd love to, but I've had neither the money nor the resources thus far. I don't think, however, that this somehow disqualifies me from creating this topic, primarily because I'd like to focus on the nature of the music that's played live rather than the live performances. I do realize it's strictly a matter of opinion.

I've never really liked any live albums that much, but I was impressed with the quality of Rock in Rio when I bought it. Several songs, like The Wicker Man and Two Minutes to Midnight, sounded fantastic, at least as good as the studio album versions. Bruce really knows how to stir up a crowd, and that was readily apparent in Rock in Rio. So I bought Live After Death, which was supposed to be superior. After all, Rock in Rio was the first live album I ever dared to listen to more than once, and if Live After Death was better, I was in for quite a ride.

I do take the "Golden Era" songs very seriously, and of course I was excited at the prospect of hearing the classics live (especially Flight of Icarus, Aces High, Revelations, and Rime of the Ancient Mariner). There were a few surprises...Revelations was a song I had to put on repeat, because it managed to be about as good as the one on Piece of Mind while still sounding quite different.

But "Aces High" was a disappointment. Bruce sounded like he was struggling to hit some of the notes, I don't think I heard many backup vocals at all (which was a vital part of the song, in my opinion, as it made for a masterpiece of the chorus), and Bruce didn't hit that rediculously high note at the end, which may have been one of the best things about the song.

These gripes seem pretty small, but they're what makes up the song as a whole. It seems that in various other productions--flight of icarus, for example--artistry was once again minimized in comparison to the studio version. The Flight of Icarus on Live After Death literally makes my ears bleed, and that's not something I'm used to with Maiden. I can usually crank up the volume about as loud as I want and get a pleasing sound, but a number the songs on Live After Death were simply too noisy and diluted for that.

On a side note, I actually didn't hear the studio version of Run to the Hills until about three weeks ago, when I bought the NotB album (been a maiden fan for about a year but I was more interested in their other stuff; simply bought NotB out of obligation). Up until then, I didn't understand the hype about the song, primarily because I'd only heard the bit on Rock in Rio and Live After Death. Now I do understand the hype, and I think it's a wonderful composition.

I'm just throwing this question out there for all who insist the live recordings are better; I know it's a matter of opinion, but what am I missing? Again, I'm not talking about the actual full-fledged production, which is most likely infinitely better than sitting alone in front of a computer and cranking up the volume when the playlist hits the best songs. I'm just talking about the actual music, the actual live albums. They're all good for live albums (I could get killed for this, but I think Rock in Rio's a bit better, if only because I feel the live productions are more faithful to their studio counterparts) but I'd rather listen to the studio recordings.

If this topic's been done before, my apologies. I ran a search and didn't find anything so I figured I'd go ahead and take the dive.
 
Well, I actually agree with you. While a good deal of the technical portions of Maiden's music is great on LAD, I find it to be a mostly inferior live album, especially when compared to Rock in Rio. Bruce's voice is worn out and many of the songs sound, well tired...which is to be expected, considering how many shows they did on the World Slavery Tour.

I don't know why LAD is regarded as better than RIR, but I think it's the worst of the single-concert albums. RIR is the best, followed by Live Over Donington, then Maiden England, and then Death on the Road. I personally love live albums. I find I can close my eyes and listen to them for hours, and just get lost in the show, imagining Bruce's stage antics and the arrival of Eddie...but I have a very good imagination.
 
To see and hear Iron Maiden playing live yourself is a fantastic experience imo.

Is their music better live? That's a not a simple question.

It's very personal. When I look at the songmaterial, I get different answers:

To hear at home I think:
"Hallowed Be Thy Name" -> Live better than studio.
"Wasted Years" -> Live worse than studio
"The Trooper" -> Live better than studio
"Still Life" -> Live worse than studio


But to ENJOY while being at a concert:
All the music is better than sitting at home playing my cd.
 
I'm of the fraction who believes that generally, Maiden are better live than in the studio, but I think "Live After Death" is not the best album to show that.
I too have never been to a Maiden concert so far, but I have absorbed all live albums, many videos, and a good number of bootlegs.
"Live After Death" gets spoiled somewhat by Bruce's singing here and there, but it still is brilliant instrumentally. I agree with you that "Rock In Rio" is better, especially because the setlist also is slightly more appealing to me (not that I have anything against the LAD setlist- it includes almost every great song from that era). I love "Brave New World" as a studio album, but I think here, we have a case in which the songs all sound superior live.

Still, I would recommend you to get "Beast Over Hammersmith". I know it's not easy to get hold of, being a part of "Eddie's Archive", but you can start with the video excerpt on "The Early Days". Here, the live renditions of the songs are superior to their studio versions, one and all. Bruce may be struggling a bit with Paul's material, but he does it well. It's not perfect at all musically, but I think this is what makes it even more special. This is by far Maidens best live album.
 
I think LAD is a great live album, but not the best one to start with. For me, it feels...well, Bruce's vocals are poor, and the lack of crowd participation spoils the thing for me. RiR has more of a 'vibe' about it-it's infinitely more energetic, and the setlist is very good-Dream of Mirrors live is just haunting, as is Brave New World, and Bruce and the crowd enhance every second of it. I, too, haven't been to a Maiden show yet (can't wait till the Point!!!), but I think that Maiden are such a good live band that any song they play at a gig would get you going-it's all about the experience, being part of something as big as Maiden. I like nearly all their live albums, because you can find some rare tracks on each of them, which is great. For example, PS and RotAM on LAD, Transylvania and Prowler on ARDO etc. etc. I actually quite like DotR, and if I were to play a Maiden live album to a friend to try and introduce them to Maiden, that would probably follow RiR as a good example of Maiden's energy. Then again, I haven't got Donnington yet....

And if you think about it, if Maiden have live albums for the two history tours, we could eventually end up with every Maiden song live! Although they've never played Prodigal Son live :: , and probably never will... [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/sad.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":(\" border=\"0\" alt=\"sad.gif\" /]
 
Maiden are better live. BNW and DOD are studio albums that I have little time for, but hearing the songs performed live, with Bruce on charisma-overdrive, made me listen appreciate the new material a wee bit more.

LAD remains the ultimate Maiden live album. Unlike RiR there is not a dud song in the selection; production-wise and instrumentally it is far superior; and even though Bruce's voice is rough (I was quite shocked when I first heard Aces High), there's a lot of feeling there. If I could only have one Maiden album it would be LAD.
 
Of course, actually being there and physically hearing the songs being played live in front of you makes them sound so much better. Thats the greatest thing about concerts, the atmosphere.

At hammersmith last year, when Doctor Doctor fired up the entire crowd was singing along, clapping, cheering... you could tangibly feel the anticipation in the room, it was amazing. And during the gig itself, having people singing along to the riffs, screaming along every line, banging their heads to every beat... fantastic. You can't beat it.

December can't come soon enough....
 
[!--quoteo(post=131493:date=Mar 11 2006, 01:09 AM:name=LooseCannon)--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(LooseCannon @ Mar 11 2006, 01:09 AM) [snapback]131493[/snapback][/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--quotec--]
I don't know why LAD is regarded as better than RIR, but I think it's the worst of the single-concert albums. [/quote]

LAD isn't a single-concert album. Is was recorded over four different nights at the Long Beach Arena in Los Angeles.


Am I wrong about this?
 
The four nights were recorded, but only one gig was used for Live After Death, as it was good enough. The best Maiden live album remains Beast Over Hammersmith to me anyway (closely followed by Live After Death, of course!). [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/smile.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":)\" border=\"0\" alt=\"smile.gif\" /]
 
You cannot beat a Maiden gig live. Its not necessarily better music (although it generally is). The atmosphere of a live event is always going to be better than just listening to music.
 
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You cannot beat a Maiden gig live. Its not necessarily better music (although it generally is). The atmosphere of a live event is always going to be better than just listening to music.
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Well said.
This is exactly what it's all about!

I'd say: Try it out, instead of all these "theories".

The question of this topic can only be answered by the questioner himself (since it's a personal thing), after this person has visited a Maiden gig.

A gig is something totally different from listening to a live-cd or bootleg at home.

If you only have eaten the apple, eat the pear first if you want to know if it's better than the apple.
 
Let's put it this way:

A studio album is like imagining what sex is like if you've never done it.
A bootleg of a show you haven't attended is like watching porn.
Being at a gig is doing the real thing! [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":p\" border=\"0\" alt=\"tongue.gif\" /]
 
But the question was is their music better live, not if it was fun going to a concert, but was the music as high of quality as their stuido work.

I went to my first concert last year the day before thanksgiving, it was TSO, not Iron maiden, but it was amazing none the less. Personally I think hearing a live CD is scewed by seeing a concert. you remember all the quirky things that the band did, all the hype and you get a bit lost in that. In that sense I belive Hanyou has an edge over people who have gone to a concert.
 
[!--quoteo(post=131540:date=Mar 11 2006, 03:27 PM:name=Maverick)--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Maverick @ Mar 11 2006, 03:27 PM) [snapback]131540[/snapback][/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--quotec--]
Let's put it this way:

A studio album is like imagining what sex is like if you've never done it.
A bootleg of a show you haven't attended is like watching porn.
Being at a gig is doing the real thing! [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":p\" border=\"0\" alt=\"tongue.gif\" /]
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What's a live album officially released by the band then? Legal prostitution? [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":p\" border=\"0\" alt=\"tongue.gif\" /]
 
Sometimes it's better and sometimes it isn't. Maiden is a bit more creative live, too. Nicko's drumming is vastly better live, in my opinion. His drumming on the studio albums is good, too.
 
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What's a live album officially released by the band then? Legal prostitution? [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":p\" border=\"0\" alt=\"tongue.gif\" /]
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I suppose that you got that one right. [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":D\" border=\"0\" alt=\"biggrin.gif\" /]
 
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A bootleg of a show you haven't attended is like watching porn.

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But what if its a bootleg of a show you have attended? Porn and sex at the same time? ::
 
[!--quoteo(post=131554:date=Mar 11 2006, 06:37 PM:name=Hunlord)--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Hunlord @ Mar 11 2006, 06:37 PM) [snapback]131554[/snapback][/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--quotec--]
But what if its a bootleg of a show you have attended? Porn and sex at the same time? ::
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No, then it is obviously porn with yourself as protagonist.
 
[!--quoteo(post=131530:date=Mar 11 2006, 02:22 PM:name=Maverick)--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Maverick @ Mar 11 2006, 02:22 PM) [snapback]131530[/snapback][/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--quotec--]
The four nights were recorded, but only one gig was used for Live After Death, as it was good enough. The best Maiden live album remains Beast Over Hammersmith to me anyway (closely followed by Live After Death, of course!). [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/smile.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":)\" border=\"0\" alt=\"smile.gif\" /]
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Beast over Hammersmith is the best live official release. I totally agree. LAD has great energy and the guitar sound is really raw and aggressive. But I cant stand Bruces vocals on it. Way too much over singing and he does sound tired.
 
I hold that Maiden songs used to sound better on studio albums than live until 'Rock in Rio' and now 'Death on the Road' which have better live versions of the last two studio albums.Yet I'm afeard I haven't heard better live versions of songs off studio albums like 'The Number of the Beast', 'Piece of Mind' or 'Somewhere in Time' thus far.For some reason they cannot top those studio versions...
 
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