Is Iron Maiden's Magic touch Bruce

Mysterio said:
I live in Canada.  One of the national tv stations has a show called The Hour.  In an interview with IM about thier new material. The Interviewer George Strombo asked about the future fate of the band.  Bruce said that IM can go on forever but not with him, if there is no new material. 

That means that if IM don't put out new music.  Bruce is gone.  Kiss although in a different music genre, does not want to put out new music and wants to rest on what they have put out.  They say that because of the lost revenues due to fans downloading,  Kiss is waiting for the record companies to start to fix that problem before they put out new material.

I personally think that Bruce helped make IM the band that it is to day.  Even if Steve Harris is the Captain so to speak.  I love Priest and think that Rob is in the same boat at Bruce.  The lead singers of Priest and Maiden are crucial to the success of the band.  Its not like when Brian Johnson replaced Bon Scott that AC/DC  fell off the rock and roll map.  Like Maiden and Preist did in the 90's from a global success standpont.  My buddy Mark went to the last IM show in Winnipeg where we come from back in 91.  He said that there were only about 2000 people at the show.

I also speculate that Maidens popularity is nostagic to some degree.  There is an affectionate soft spot to 80's metal now.  Most band are enjoying that resurgence, now that Grunge is dead.  Grunge may have that as well.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Soundgarden get back together in the future.  I think that SG's lead singer Chris Cornell is a great roack singer.  Nobody wants to see him, Bruce or Rob do solo stuff.  Basically All three of them are really locked into thier bands more than other singers.

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I like Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden is a heavy metal band. Heavy metal is a music genre. Music has been made by people since the Palaeolithic Age. The Palaeolithic Age started at around 500,000 BC and went on until people developed methods to domesticate plants and animals. I don't think people would have went on to become so successful hadn't they developed these methods. My friend Chris said that mankind did not fully ascend until they knew how to make bronze from copper and tin. Now it's nighttime. It's dark at night, and it's cold outside. Nobody wants to be out at night.
 
Yax said:
When you grow older, the first range of your voice that starts to decline is the head and falsetto (feedback, SMX?).
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The higher range of a singing voice - and here I mean real singing, not falsetto - requires a great deal of strength and flexibility in the throat, to make the larynx get that high and produce those notes. Like any other muscle, the throat loses strength and flexibility with age. This can be largely resisted with regular exercise - but in this case, exercise means singing while being careful to maintain proper technique.

Aside from generally keeping the voice in shape, there are 2 other factors which play a big role...

First, warming up before trying the high notes. It helps a whole lot. Even just talking during the day does it - I can't sing for shit in the morning, but my voice gets better as the day goes on and I use it more. Also, it's easier to hit a high note if a phrase starts on a lower note and you can work up there word by word. Hitting a very high note at the start of a phrase is considerably more difficult.

Also, when you get older: luck. If you're old enough, you know that some days your body responds like you were 20 again, and other days it's like you're 80 years old. And often there's no apparent reason why some days are better than others. This luck applies to the voice as well. Every singer has good and bad days. What sets a guy like Bruce apart is that his bad days are still extremely good. Halford's bad days are more apparent.

In my experience, smoking does not affect this high range of singing. I smoke quite a bit - around a pack a day - and sing in 2 bands, so I do have some idea what I'm talking about here. However, smoking can affect the falsetto voice needed for the highest notes. I have no idea why this is - it would seem more logical for smoking to affect both or neither. Yet this is the way it has been for me. Maybe it's different for other singers.
 
I don't think Bruce is as essential to Maiden as say, Hansi Kursch is to Blind Guardian (maybe because Hansi's a better singer  :bigsmile:).

But Maiden definitely suffers without Bruce, as I think he is probably the perfect singer for the band.
 
Mysterio said:
When I look at the various lineups of other bands.  It seems to me that there are certain things that you can't mess with.  For Led Zeppelin its John Bonham.
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:huh: Surely, Led Zep without Bonham would have still been Led Zep. I mean, it's not like he was the most creative person in the band.
 
no he was not.

I think Mysterio has interpretated with the wrong way the fact that after his death Zep disbanded, that's all
 
I have heard Robert Plant from Led Zep say that the band would sound lousy without him.  Also, with the exception of the O2 event last December, Robert and Jimmy Page have both stated that the reunions were garbage performances.

Thats why in my sumation that Bonham was a real crusical element to Zeppelin.  I think that Bruce is the same way.  Sure IM will survive, but they are really thriving on Bruce being in the band.  There is no way they would sell our the arena in Winnipeg with Blaze or someone else.

With AC/DC, they lucked out with Brian Johnson and made a killer album with Back and Black. 

The point with starting this topic was to discuss that certain members are crucial to a bands superstar status.  Lets put it this way for the following bands.

Heart= Ann and Nancy Wilson.  Judas Priest= Rob Halford/Glenn Tipton/KK Downing.  AC/DC= Angus Young.  Whitesnake=David Coverdale. 
The Rolling Stones = Mick and Keith.  Aerosmith=Steven Tyler/Joe Perry.  The Who= Pete/Rodger.  Led Zeppelin to me its the whloe band and the same with Black Sabbath.


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Mysterio
 
I have no doubt that Plant said that, but had it been any other member of Led Zep that suffered the same fate as Bonham, they still would have disbanded. It appears to me that Led Zep was not a band with one or two crucial members, but more a unit that would fail if one member was missing - as you pointed out yourself.

But still, I would say that in the case of AC/DC, it is also Angus' brother Malcolm that is quite possibly just as important - but the image of the band always seems to be dominated by the image of him in school uniform.

As for Whitesnake, Coverdale is not only the only member that has been present since it began, but he is Whitesnake. He has gone on record to say that Whitesnake is merely a Coverdale project.

Lastly, Iron Maiden did not suffer in a drop in popularity when Bruce left, it was waining before that.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Sabbath was pretty good with Ronnie James Dio.
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No kidding.  Dio is worth 10 of Ozzy.  Why do you think Tony Iommi decided he no longer wants to tour with Ozzy?
 
GuineaPig said:
Why do you think Tony Iommi decided he no longer wants to tour with Ozzy?
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Where did you get that info? When the time comes he'll be playing with Zombie again.
 
I just don't get the Ozzy-hype. Both Dio and Martin are far, far better vocalists than him. Plus Dio is a world-class songwriter, too.
 
I never agreed with you more than with this post!

I still love the 70s Sabbath (I recently bought remastered versions of the debut album, Master of Reality and Volume 4, because I only had some older releases) but people should really give the later era a fair chance.

(hint, hint)
 
Zare said:
Both Dio and Martin are far, far better vocalists than him. Plus Dio is a world-class songwriter, too.
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Agreed. But back in the early days, Ozzy had a certain aura around him that helped make Black Sabbath what they were. You can't ignore the importance Ozzy had for the band just because they had better singers later on.
 
Forostar said:
Where did you get that info? When the time comes he'll be playing with Zombie again.
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Well, look at what's happened to Heaven & Hell.  Dio and Iommi say they'll be getting back together for a couple of gigs.  All of a sudden it's a full tour and a DVD.  Then Iommi decides, wait, how about not having this as a one-off thing.  So they do a second tour, and now they're planning on writing a new album, for the first time in 13 years, with Dio.

He's not going back to Ozzy.  By the time all this is done, he'll be 70, and he'll have to retire.
 
While Ozzy is still my favourite Sabbath vocalist, I came to completely re-evaluate Dio-Sabbath last year. There's no doubt that Dio was/is the most technically proficient vocalist the band ever had, and H&H/TMR are awesome albums. However, Ozzy was there when it all began, and despite his lack of range, there's no one in the metal world that sounds like he did on those records. The first five Sabbath albums are still pretty much unassailable imo. They're what defined Heavy Metal for me and Ozzy's howl will never quite be matched.

As far as Maiden goes, I don't think Bruce is the "key" necessarily. I love the Di'Anno albums and think that if it weren't for his personal issues he could have become one of the greatest. I'd chime in with the others who point to Adrian being an important person as well. Looking at Bruce's solo career, it didn't really spark until he was reunited with Adrian. Now, I love both Balls to Picasso and Skunkworks (!), and obviously Roy Z had a great influence on Bruce, but there's no denying that Accident of Birth/Chemical Wedding was when Bruce finally came into his element again.

I think the same goes for Maiden. At this point everyone has contributed so much that I don't think anyone could leave without it changing the band fundamentally. By now even Janick has left his mark on so much material that he's indispensable imo.
 
Shrike said:
While Ozzy is still my favourite Sabbath vocalist, I came to completely re-evaluate Dio-Sabbath last year. There's no doubt that Dio was/is the most technically proficient vocalist the band ever had, and H&H/TMR are awesome albums. However, Ozzy was there when it all began, and despite his lack of range, there's no one in the metal world that sounds like he did on those records. The first five Sabbath albums are still pretty much unassailable imo. They're what defined Heavy Metal for me and Ozzy's howl will never quite be matched.
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And you have heard all other Sabbath albums?

To me Toni Iommi is the man, 100%. His own style and especially own sound carried Sabbath on through the years. The fact that Ozzy was there is a fact, and yes his voice is characteristic. But if someone else would have been there Sabbath's music might have been groundbreaking as well.

While Sabbath's music developed, they still kept their own sound, and the music became more diverse and imo better.
 
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