Iced Earth Week on Maidenfans (August 10-16, 2009)

Which band shall we listen to next week?

  • Opeth (nominated by Onhell)

    Votes: 5 50.0%
  • Slayer (nominated by Perun)

    Votes: 5 50.0%

  • Total voters
    10

SinisterMinisterX

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It's Iced Earth Week! Post about them here...

Next week, we talk about whoever wins the poll above ... and the week after that, we talk about the other band.
I've been voting for Opeth every week, and I'm doing it again now.

As for Iced Earth: I still think the Something Wicked album is the best. Not those last 2 albums, I mean the original album. The original trilogy is mighty hard to surpass.
 
Ah, Iced Earth.

After Iron Maiden and Blaze, they are my third-favourite metal band. This is mostly thanks to Jon Schaffer's composing skills and his playing. This should be kept in mind because later in this post, some of my criticism may seem a bit harsh - it's mostly criticism on an extremely high level.


Iced Earth is a good debut. No, let's say it is a great debut: it has some excellent tracks, mostly When the Night Falls, which is still one of their most enduring tracks. I'm not a big fan of Gene Adam's vocals, but he does a good job here, given his capabilities. It's still got a very amateurish and not too professional feel to it, which is a good thing.

Night of the Stormrider is one thrashing album, from the beginning to the end. The songwriting is already borderline superb, especially on Desert Rain, Pure Evil and Travel in Stygian. And did I mention it is one thrashing motherf'cker? The only let-down for me is once again the vocals. I don't think John Greely has a particularly good singing voice, although he can shriek like a nutter. Also, the lyrics are a bit dodgy, which is unfortunately more or less an Iced Earth trademark for me.

Burnt Offerings - now here's an uber-album if there ever was one. It's brilliant from start to finish, and I could headbang to it all day and all night if I wouldn't have to sleep at some point. It's one that has only great songs on it, and it is so full of pure anger and honest emotion that I can't help but be awed by it every single time. Whenever I've got some aggressions to get rid of, this is what I put on. I can't even pick a highlight (no, not even Dante's Inferno), because everything is so mercilessly great.

Dark Saga actually manages to keep the high standard of the predecessor. Yes, there are some let-downs on it in my opinion, mostly The Last Laugh, Depths of Hell and, I will get crucified for this, Violate (which isn't bad, just not as great as everybody makes it to be), but A Question of Heaven alone puts this album above most others for me. What a song! And then of course, there's the title track, I Died for You (cheesy and whiny yes, but still damn good), The Hunter, Vengeance is Mine and Slave to the Dark.

Something Wicked this way Comes is a bit of a hit-and-miss, although still on a very high level. And still, the hits by far outweigh the misses, which in my opinion aren't bad songs, just not special - Stand Alone, Reaping Stone and My Own Savior, mostly. Then again, it has some of the best moments of heavy metal, such as Watching Over Me, Melancholy (Holy Martyr) and the entire Something Wicked Trilogy. If you can sit still to these tracks, then maybe you should ask yourself if you are really a heavy metal fan.

Horror Show unfortunately has the hit-and-miss average more evenly balanced. It has some tracks I don't really care about, but also again some of their greatest: Dracula and Damien. It's a nice album with a tight atmosphere, but you can tell the band was beginning to stagnate in their creativity. There's just a lot of songs on it that are good while listening to, but are forgotten shortly afterward, which is a bit of a shame.

The Glorious Burden has a couple of good tracks on it: Declaration Day, Attila, Valley Forge and the Gettysburg trilogy. Other than that, it's best described with When the Eagle Pukes. And I will never understand nor forgive the fact that they managed to write a bad song about air combat.

Framing Armageddon is a return to form, better than both predecessors. You can tell that Schaffer's creativity has returned, and he has managed to write some songs that are reminiscent of the good old days. This album is best enjoyed by listening to it in its entirety while engaging yourself in the storyline. It's a worthwhile listen and a good album, no matter what everybody says (mostly because the latest album of a band is their worst anyway, according to everybody...).

The Crucible of Man could have been so much more. It could have been a blast, it could have been a juggernaught that would have blown everything away... but it is only a very good album. It could have been so much more because you have great songwriting on it, a Matthew Barlow who hasn't lost an ounce of what made him so great, and an amazing solo guitarist (Troy Seele) who should have been allowed to do more. The storyline is also continued in a good way, and the tension is there from the beginning on, but it is never resolved in a climax. Sure, there are great epics in the last part of the album (Divide and Devour, which incidentally sounds a lot like Blind Guardian in the chorus, and Come What May), but somehow you would have expected a big -bang at the end. As much as I like and perhaps even love the album, I do confess I was a bit disappointed by it.

Honourary mention: Alive in Athens, one of the best live albums of all times.
 
I've got the Days Of Purgatory collection - studio re-recordings of the old songs with Barlow singing. Great stuff. I think I'll put it on now.
 
SinisterMinisterX said:
I've got the Days Of Purgatory collection - studio re-recordings of the old songs with Barlow singing. Great stuff. I think I'll put it on now.
Have you heard the re-recordings of the Something Wicked trilogy, with Ripper? Most of it is awesome, other not (like the eastern percussion).

Also, I nominate a Saxon or Satriani week.
 
Nominations are closed.

And no, I never did get the 2nd version of the trilogy. Everyone said the original version was better, so I figured why bother?
 
Not me. I agree with Yax and find that version very original and enjoyable. But I am not that fond of Something Wicked.. anyway for reasons I'll explain later.
 
Uh, SMX, isn't it kind of pointless to close the nominations if both nominees have the same amount of votes?
 
He means, we're going to do either Opeth or Slayer next week; then the other the week after, then we'll take some new nominations for finalists.
 
Exactly. Nominations will be open NEXT week. Then a poll the following week to choose the next band...

The reason I open the nominations for only one week is to get them all collected in one thread. I don't want to have to search all over for them when I put the poll together.
 
One of my favorite songs is "Pure Evil," not so much because of the lyrics -- I'm not really even sure what they are -- but because there are no fewer than six or seven different amazing guitar riffs throughout that song.  Droool. 
 
I've recently listened to some more Iced Earth and while I wouldn't go so far as to say like Perun that they are my third-favorite band, they are certainly in the top 15. I wouldn't really like to pass judgement on the whole band knowing only three albums, but I'll just say that of what I've heard so far, I like what they do. Framing Armageddon and The Crucible of Man are great albums to listen to back to back and Alive in Athens (both the CD and DVD) is a great live compilation.

P.S. Yax probably approves of this thread too...

Edit: Is there going to be a flaming war between the Ripper and Barlowe camps? And did I start it intentionally with that question? Hmm...
 
Well, they are certainly my favourite American band, that's for sure.

You could say that the first couple of albums were more trashy, more angry kind of metal, with a lot of impressive guitar riffs, executed by one of the best rhythm guitarists in the world. Later IE focussed more on melancholy, sadness etc. More emotion, more accessible songs but not always the best guitar riffs like in the beginning.

My favourite two albums are their 2nd "Night of the Stormrider" (which is fucking awesome while driving the car, I can really recommend that!) and their 3rd "Burnt Offerings". Both albums show a different side of the band.

Night of the Stormrider
Full of in-your-face-riffs and tempo changes (like Maiden). A lot of Iced Earth's strongest tracks are on this record. I find it much better and a lot more adventurous than their recent stuff. A true classic in the metal genre. Not in the least because this is really an album with "drive". So energetic and well produced, a rare gem in the history of metal. Probably also one of the (if not THE) best collection of guitar riffs ever.

Burnt Offerings
This record brings an evil and dark atmosphere (and anger!) never achieved afterwards. It features my favourite IE song, Dante's Inferno. Too bad Jon himself says that it's his least favorite album.

Dark Saga is also dark, but more melancholic and sad.

In the end all IE-albums with Barlow are worth getting. They are all quite different, though I find Dark Saga and SWTWC more alike than the other works.

I've never been a fan of the SWTWC studio album. Reason: I discovered it after I'd heard Alive in Athens. Compared to the live versions, the SW-tracks are not that interesting and sound a bit weak. The songs which are not on AiA are fillers, while most songs of other olders albums, which are not on AiA, are cool classics. So in a way I don't care for the studio release of SWTWC. Alive in Athens kills it.

Lyrics:
I never gave much heed to Iced Earth's fantasy lyrics, e.g. Dark Saga or SWTWC. I liked the historian lyrics of Gettysburg and the dark and angry lyrics of Burnt Offerings. In the beginning I didn't care for the monster lyrics from Horror Show, but after seeing some good ol' horror films I find these lyrics more interesting.

Ranking:
1. Burnt Offerings
1. Night of the Stormrider
3. The Dark Saga
4. Iced Earth  (very close after 3!)
5. Horror Show
6. The Crucible of Man
7. Framing Armageddon
8. Something Wicked This Way Comes
9. The Glorious Burden
 
Forostar said:
I've never been a fan of the SWTWC studio album. Reason: I discovered it after I'd heard Alive in Athens. Compared to the live versions, the SW-tracks are not that interesting and sound a bit weak.

I can dig that. I've always felt similar about the first 5 Maiden albums, since the first Maiden album I got was LAD. I wouldn't call Maiden's studio versions "weak" of course, but in almost every case I prefer the LAD version. The exception is Aces High - Bruce's voice doesn't sound right live, like he wasn't fully warmed up.

As for IE...

I also started with Alive In Athens, and I agree that Something Wicked does sound weak in comparison. But I don't think that's a knock against SWTWC - it's more praise to AIA, which is just a monster live album. "Pure Evil" off that album is my favorite IE recording.

I didn't like The Glorious Burden much, except for Gettysburg. But it took me some time to "get" Gettysburg - I had to go re-read about the battle to understand it all. I suppose TGB does have one other really cool tune, the instrumental "1776", which always struck me as IE's answer to "Transylvania".

And I'll be the first to give some love to "Tribute To The Gods", which is full of great cover versions. Especially one of the AC/DC covers: "It's A Long Way To The Top (If You Want To Rock And Roll)", which is also the most annoyingly long song title I've ever had to type. I think they play that song better than AC/DC themselves. It needs that heavy energy IE brought to the table.
 
I feel that Crucible of Man could've been a lot better as well.  Seele was criminally underused; the first half of the album is unremarkable and dull, and there a couple of misses.  However, I absolute love some of the Sabbath-esque slow, heavy songs that showed up that were unlike what they've done before.  I'm talking "Crucify the King", "I Walk Alone", and "Sacrificial Kingdoms".  It's also the songs where I think Barlow really shines.

I just felt, that overall, most of the songs (and the album itself) just didn't go anywhere.
 
It does.  I think a few songs from TGB stand well on their own.  I thoroughly love Declaration Day and Attila, and I don't mind Waterloo.

However, Gettysburg might be one of the best long-term songs ever put out by any metal band ever.
 
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