Here we go again...Iron Maiden sued over the rights of 6 songs

This doesn't establish copyright. This establishes the date of copyright.
You're right - I was never sure how that was supposed to work (ie just because you stuck something in an envelope and posted it to yourself doesn't prove you wrote it). But the thinking seem to be that it would help you if you discovered that someone else had nicked your stuff, rather than to help you prove you didn't nick someone elses.
 
I don't know about in the UK, but in North America, civil court isn't beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt. It is settled by preponderance of evidence. That means a good amount of evidence needs to point in one direction or the other...not that you have to have the "smoking gun".
This. And as the registered author of songs that have been published and widely available for the past 30+ years, Steve Harris would be entitled to a presumption of authorship, which Willcock bears the burden of overcoming. See http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/104.
 
I'm asking this as a hypothetical, not directly in reference to Maiden: If I wrote some song lyrics in a vacuum, then later discovered they are eerily similar to another song already written/published, am I liable for plagiarism? And if yes, does that mean that I should be constantly Googling lyrics by other bands to make sure my work is completely original? The same question goes for music. If I write a riff then find out later that another band has a similar riff? The opening riff to Wickerman sounds very similar to Running Wild by Judas Priest. Should Priest have sued Maiden? And how can you possibly prove that a band actively/intentionally stole your work?
Sometimes works can be similar even though you didn't copy the earlier work. You could have come up with it independently. In the case of similar works, one thing a court will consider is whether you had been exposed to the previous work. This was an issue in the Led Zeppelin copyright trial that happened not that long ago. But if you did hear it before and inadvertently copied it, you would still be liable for plagiarism. This is what happened with George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord," which sounds A LOT like "He's So Fine". From the court opinion in that case:

What happened? I conclude that the composer [Harrison], in seeking musical materials to clothe his thoughts, was working with various possibilities. As he tried this possibility and that, there came to the surface of his mind a particular combination that pleased him as being one he felt would be appealing to a prospective listener; in other words, that this combination of sounds would work. Why? Because his subconscious knew it already had worked in a song his conscious mind did not remember. Having arrived at this pleasing combination of sounds, the recording was made, the lead sheet prepared for copyright and the song became an enormous success. Did Harrison deliberately use the music of He's So Fine? I do not believe he did so deliberately. Nevertheless, it is clear that My Sweet Lord is the very same song as He's So Fine with different words, and Harrison had access to He's So Fine. This is, under the law, infringement of copyright, and is no less so even though subconsciously accomplished.​
 
And I thought it was the Americans who just assumed everyone shared their cultural touchstones.
I didn't assume. This is a thread about a potential UK court case involving Iron Maiden though.
This. And as the registered author of songs that have been published and widely available for the past 30+ years, Steve Harris would be entitled to a presumption of authorship, which Willcock bears the burden of overcoming. See http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/104.
This was effectively overturned by the Procol Harum court case.

I'm just saying, for anyone actually interested, read around a few of these recent UK cases. Surely these will give us a greater insight into how this might play out.


 
It will be interesting if Maiden is be forced to retroactively give credit to others. Hooks In You will no longer be the only Maiden song credited to someone who isn't in the band.
 
This was effectively overturned by the Procol Harum court case.
No, the court in that case didn't get rid of the statutory presumption. The organist still had the burden of proving he substantially contributed to the song. But, he pretty clearly satisfied that burden -- the original songwriters didn't seriously contest that he DID come up with the organ bit at the beginning, albeit after the rest of the song had already been written, and the organ bit is unquestionably a VERY important part of the song (though, arguably, was itself copied from Bach). The main argument on the appeal was just that the organist waited too long to bring his claim, to the prejudice of the defendants. The intermediate court agreed; the House of Lords disagreed. So, the organist wins. (Another fun case resulted in Clare Torry getting a songwriting credit for Pink Floyd's The Great Gig in the Sky -- which seems fair, given that she extemporized the vocals that are a major part of that song.)

To be clear, I have no idea whether Willcock will also be able to overcome the presumption of authorship. But it's still a pretty strong presumption if Harris says that Willcock didn't come up with the lyrics to the song. My fearless prediction -- based on nothing but pure speculation -- is that there will be a confidential settlement in which Willcock gets some meaningful cash but not a songwriting credit going forward.
 
Great Gig is an interesting one. If I’m understanding it right, shouldn’t any soloist on a Jazz recording receive a writing credit by the same logic?
 
Great Gig is an interesting one. If I’m understanding it right, shouldn’t any soloist on a Jazz recording receive a writing credit by the same logic?
Probably. But it seems you can make legal arrangements before any of these things to allow a performer to simply be paid for their input (even writing input) & therefore not have any legal claim (ever) to songwriting credits & royalties. The problem with all these rulings in favour of the smaller "I should have been credited" parties is that none of them had any legal arrangements in place; hence the (relative) success in bringing their case(s) to court. Harris/Maiden undoubtedly had no legal agreements in place.

I agree with Cornfed that this will probably be settled out-of-court.
 
If Maiden would not go to court (what ever the other party wants), that would show their fear.
Hardly. Some might argue that it just makes more sense not to drag shit through the courts at great expense if you've already both come to an agreement.
If they are sure to shut up the accusers by winning a case, they sure would go to court.
Would they? Maiden have better things to do with their time surely; especially if the out-of-court agreement is that other parties won't be credited.
Why make an agreement with the other party if there is no truth in the accusations?
To avoid lengthy litigation.
That would be idiotic.
That would be cheaper.
Basically, Maiden admits McKay and co. were right if they want to settle outside court.
To you. They'll take their own truth from the settlement & probably never talk about it in public. It might matter to you what the public at large think; maybe Steve will be happy enough being privately right. And you'll not know either way.
 
If they are sure to shut up the accusers by winning a case, they sure would go to court.
Until it starts to encroach on the personal time of band members, because that's time they can't be spending on band activities. I don't think they want to pull off the road for a year to fight a lawsuit, if they can help it.
 
If Maiden would not go to court (what ever the other party wants), that would show their fear.

If they are sure to shut up the accusers by winning a case, they sure would go to court.

By the same argument, if McKay settles out of court he must then be admitting he has no case and is taking what he can get rather than looking for "justice"
 
By the same argument, if McKay settles out of court he must then be admitting he has no case and is taking what he can get rather than looking for "justice"
Good point. Settlement, by its very nature, requires the aquiescence of both parties. And since McKay apparently has very deep pockets and was prepared to bankroll the whole thing himself he could have chosen to carry on the last one, pushing for a "win" for the sake of principle. The fact he decided not to do this suggests that he had already realised that even if he won he wasn't going to get what he wanted. He himself mentions "lower than expected figures".
 
That's what Trump does. That what all wrong people do when they want to cover things up. Fuck that shit.
Personal request to keep politics in the political threads. It has nothing to do with Maiden and I’ve personally had so many instances of people I once was friends with destroying that friendship over politics that I just cannot stand them anymore. I hate when people resort to bringing in Trump to help their argument. If you need to do that, then you had no argument in the first place.
 
Sorry. I have no pity for people who are hurt when I make a comment about Trump in whatever thread. It was needed for the comparison.
It was not. You know full well that some people don’t hate Trump as much as you do, and all your post is is bait. You didn’t need to add anything about him in.

I don’t like Trump either, but using him to further your points when so many disagree about him cheapens your argument.
 
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