Happy Thanksgiving, my American friends!

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IronDuke

Ancient Mariner
I hope all our friends in the US are enjoying the holiday! I know Thanksgiving is quite a big deal in the States, much moreso than it is up north here.

So, eat lots of turkey, drink lots of wine, spend time with your loved ones, and be thankful to God, Allah, Bush, or nobody in particulalr for all you have.

Kindest regards,
Duke
 
Thanks dude. [!--emo&:)--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/smile.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'smile.gif\' /][!--endemo--] [!--emo&:chug:--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/beerchug.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'beerchug.gif\' /][!--endemo--]

Just about to go to a little get-together right now. And BTW, I'm not thankful to Bush. [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
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Cheers to you Duke.
 
You lucky Americans have an extra 'gift giving' holiday! Enjoy the day, eating until you explode. A month to go and im sure all Christians will be feeling the same way.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-The_7th_Son+Nov 25 2004, 04:43 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(The_7th_Son @ Nov 25 2004, 04:43 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]You lucky Americans have an extra 'gift giving' holiday![/quote]
It's really not much of a gift-giving holiday. Unless giving the gift of way too much food counts. [!--emo&^_^--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/happy.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'happy.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
[!--QuoteBegin-The_7th_Son+Nov 25 2004, 04:43 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(The_7th_Son @ Nov 25 2004, 04:43 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Enjoy the day, eating until you explode.[/quote]
I have indeed exploded. *pats stomach and unbuttons pants* And I'm going to a party in half an hour just to ensure my enoying of the day. [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
[!--QuoteBegin-The_7th_Son+Nov 25 2004, 04:43 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(The_7th_Son @ Nov 25 2004, 04:43 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]A month to go and im sure all Christians will be feeling the same way.[/quote]
I'm actually an atheist but who can pass up a holiday where I can get a bunch of free shit and $? \M/ \M/ [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]

And thanks 7th_Son. [!--emo&:chug:--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/beerchug.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'beerchug.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
I am athiest aswell, but i didnt want to say all of us because not all of us will be celebrating it [!--emo&;)--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/wink.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'wink.gif\' /][!--endemo--] Glad you're having a good day!
 
[!--QuoteBegin-The_7th_Son+Nov 26 2004, 11:26 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(The_7th_Son @ Nov 26 2004, 11:26 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I am athiest aswell, but i didnt want to say all of us because not all of us will be celebrating it [!--emo&;)--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/wink.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'wink.gif\' /][!--endemo--] Glad you're having a good day!
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Well, the Jewish have Channukah (sp?) and there's also Kwanzaa, and...yeah. [!--emo&;)--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/wink.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'wink.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
[!--QuoteBegin-dogigniter+Nov 26 2004, 01:19 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(dogigniter @ Nov 26 2004, 01:19 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Does the date have any relevance to any events?
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Thanksgiving? [!--emo&:huh:--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/huh.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'huh.gif\' /][!--endemo--] It was when the Pilgrims had a feast with the Native Americans and gave thanks for everything they had, and stuff. So we do the same thing today. It's just that now we have a feast with our families, and most people don't give thanks anymore. [!--emo&:blink:--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/blink.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'blink.gif\' /][!--endemo--] [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
[!--QuoteBegin-dogigniter+Nov 26 2004, 04:19 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(dogigniter @ Nov 26 2004, 04:19 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Does the date have any relevance to any events?
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In the efirst decade of the 1600's a still small, but growing group of Englishmen were discontented with the course of the English Reformation. They felt the Church of England retained far too many Catholic elements, and they desired to purify the Church. Some of these Puritans decided to make a pilgrimage to America to escape the Church of England's grip.

Onboard the ship Mayflower, the Pilgrims' original destination was Virginia, but they got lost and ended up landing in Plymouth, Massachusetts. The first months there were very hard, and it was nly with the help of the local Indians that they surrvived. They decided to have a party after the harvest to give thanks to God for all they had. It became a tradition.

Incidently, the traditional Thanksgiving foods (turkey, cranberries, pumpkin pie, potatoes, etc) are all foods native to North America, and most were probably consumed at that first Thanksgiving.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-IronDuke+Nov 27 2004, 06:48 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(IronDuke @ Nov 27 2004, 06:48 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]The first months there were very hard, and it was nly with the help of the local Indians that they surrvived. They decided to have a party after the harvest to give thanks to God for all they had.
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Shouldn't they have thanked the Indians instead. God had pretty little to do with it (even if He existed!). [!--emo&-_---][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/sleep.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'sleep.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
Excuse my ignorance....

We should celebrate the buggers leaving our island over here! [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
Does any body know what happened to those nice indians???

They were slaughtered! they had to run to the hills!!!

That's what the white men (Spanish, Brits, French) brought to this continent murder and stupid religions... and they took it to Asia and Africa as well...

...Oh will we ever be set free?
 
The history of mankind, Killer, is of intolerence and colonization.

The Aztec did it to the Maya, remember.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-IronDuke+Nov 27 2004, 05:48 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(IronDuke @ Nov 27 2004, 05:48 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]In the efirst decade of the 1600's a still small, but growing group of Englishmen were discontented with the course of the English Reformation. They felt the Church of England retained far too many Catholic elements, and they desired to purify the Church. Some of these  Puritans decided to make a pilgrimage to America to escape the Church of England's grip.

Onboard the ship Mayflower, the Pilgrims' original destination was Virginia, but they got lost and ended up landing in Plymouth, Massachusetts. The first months there were very hard, and it was nly with the help of the local Indians that they surrvived. They decided to have a party after the harvest to give thanks to God for all they had. It became a tradition.

Incidently, the traditional Thanksgiving foods (turkey, cranberries, pumpkin pie, potatoes, etc) are all foods native to North America, and most were probably consumed at that first Thanksgiving.
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ACTUALLY Duke, The first "pilgrims" were a group of Merchants from the Virginia Co. that landed in America in 1607. They founded Jamestown (After King James) way before our Pilgrim friends landed on Plymouth rock. The goal of Jamestown was to make glass since England was running out of forest to burn in their furnaces. About 500 men (and women) arrived at the site and only three years later there were only 47 left. They had decided to abandon the site and set sail back o England but in a dumb stroke of luck less than a day later then met up with three ship bringing fresh supplies and new settlers.
As for Thanksgiving, The mythical, legendary, probably made up first thanksgiving was a makeshift dinner that pales in comparison to today's glutton's wet dream. The winter prior to their feast was horrible and almost half the settlers died. All their crops, (wheat, barley... i think rye not sure) failed, except for corn. The only reason corn did so well is becaus they were coached by Squanto. Squanto and his buddies helped the pilgrims with their corn crops. So at least Corn was present.
The pilgrims DID NOT have a yearly thanksgiving after that, they had one two years later, still thankful to be alive (mostly since their possesions were... well not much) It wasn't until the 1860' when a magazine editor wrote president lincoln to make the holiday a national holiday that it was instituted. Later FDR moved it from the declared last thursday of November to the Third, and not until Congress (in the 1950's) reversed that desicion and made it official on the last thrusday of november do we have our modern Thanksgiving. So it took around 380 years to instill Thanksgiving as a national holiday. I can't believe I finally outdo you guys in history hahahaha. Perfect for my 666th post [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--] See you guys when I'm done with my research paper (if i ever get it done).
 
ACTUALLY Onhell ([!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]), I think that the Duke is technically correct in that the Jamestown settlers did not call themselves Pilgrims, as the Plymouth Rock Pilgrims did. Nor did he claim that the Pilgrims were the first Brits to settle in America.

However, the rest of your information about Jamestown is absolutely correct. And thanks for posting the stuff about the history of the holiday - I hadn't heard that before and I thought it was interesting.
 
The settlers in the Jamestown colony weren't fleeing religious persecution....they went there for other reasons.
As for the stuff about when Thanksgiving became a yearly tradition, I think you're right.
 
[!--QuoteBegin--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--] Oooh, you beat us in US history. Well done, Onhell. [/quote] That is no excuse, you know detailed information about countries halfway around the world and you don't know basic information about your neighbors?
But I acknowledge SMX's and Duke's corrections. I still have a hard time believing the pilgrims were escaping religious persecution, if they were originally anglicans (protestants) they could only flee if their was a catholic king/queen in power. Even then, if that was the case more would have fled. I think (key word here is think as in opinion) They were just a group of anally retentive prudes even the English couldn't stand and were kicked out by force [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+Nov 30 2004, 01:48 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ Nov 30 2004, 01:48 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]That is no excuse, you know detailed information about countries halfway around the world and you don't know basic information about your neighbors?
But I acknowledge SMX's and Duke's corrections. I still have a hard time believing the pilgrims were escaping religious persecution, if they were originally anglicans (protestants) they could only flee if their was a catholic king/queen in power. Even then, if that was the case more would have fled. I think (key word here is think as in opinion) They were just a group of anally retentive prudes even the English couldn't stand and were kicked out by force [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
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That's just the thing, they were NOT Anglican. They didn't recognise King James as the head of their church, nor the spiritual authority of the Archbishop of Canterbury. They were the first of what became known later in England as 'dissenters'.

The Anglican Church (aka the Church of England, known in the US as the Episcopal Church) was the same as the Roman-Catholic church in pretty much all doctrinal matters (and continues to be so today). The only difference was that insteead of the pope being the supreme head, the monarch was. (it was Henry VIII's way of staying true to his own religious convictions while telling the pope to shove it)

The groups which we know associate as mainline Protestant sects adopted a more Calvinist/Zwinglian belief. The Puritans (some of whom went to Plymouth), the Baptists, the Anabaptists, the Presbyterians, and other such groups dissented from England's state church, and were persecuted for it.

It was the Puritans, led by Cromwell and Fairfax, who led the Parliamentary forces against Charles I in the Civil Wars, establishing the short-lived English Republic.

Also, the 'dissenters' were the people in England who were forced out of traditional livelihoods because of their beliefs. They had to come up with new ways to support themselves, which eventually led to the Industrial Revolution.

All this because Henry VIII wanted to shag a new chick...


Basically, the Puritans/Pilgrims (same thing) were not Anglican by any regards.
 
I know what Anglicans, calvinists, anabaptists, baptists, methodists etc are, i'm a religious studies major remember? All their little differences etc. But not too familiar with protestant vs. protestant wars in Europe. I've always focused on Catholic vs. Protestant since it didn't really matter what protestant it was. Protestant vs. Protestant arguements in the U.S i'm more familiar with. Thanks for the rest of the info though, because as always... it was useful.
 
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