Godwin's Law - a discussion

Forostar said:
Then let it be a flame war.

Some of those orthodox Israelian Jews are no hair better than the average Nazi of the past. I am always shocked when I see interviews with those people. If they had total political power, the consequences would be devastating.

I make such a comparison because I wish those conservative people (included the ones who agree with them) would learn from WWII (even if they wouldn't read this forum).

Godwin's Law might be my enemy, fine. I say what I want to say.
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Hold your horses, orhtodox jews are like nazis? You have no idea what your talking about.
First of all, There's a distinction between orthodox jews and hasidic jews. Orthodox arent nearly as extreme, and they accept agnostics. Hasidic jews are the extreme, they don't even believe that the country there sucking the blood out of should even exist. But! as morons as they may be, they are far better then nazi's. That's exactly the kind of analogy Godwin's law is trying to prevent.
 
Right, sorry.
Anyway, I also don't think you understand the situation in Israel. Suicide bombers are killing israelis left and right, but when IDF takes a counter action the world goes wild.
 
I do understand the situation. I just don't close my eyes for certain things.
Perun said:
Another point: Who is the moral authority that decides who is like Hitler and who isn't? Who elected them and what qualifies them to make such a judgement? What do they want to achieve with that judgement?
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There is no authority. Every individual can do his own comparison, without being elected. In a free society qualifications are not needed. Comparisons might be wrong, but that's OK. We don't live in a world that is perfect. If someone feels a comparison is wrong, that certainly can be told. I won't question his authority (unless he questions mine  :innocent: ).

What do they want to achieve? I tend to say what Eddies Wingman said in his last post.

Today I talked with a collegue about this subject and he said that he can also make a point without comparing. He rather does that. Of course this is possible, but I wonder if I could/want to do that in every situation.
 
Forostar said:
There is no authority. Every individual can do his own comparison, without being elected. In a free society qualifications are not needed. Comparisons might be wrong, but that's OK. We don't live in a world that is perfect. If someone feels a comparison is wrong, that certainly can be told. I won't question his authority (unless he questions mine  :innocent: ).

What do they want to achieve? I tend to say what Eddies Wingman said in his last post.

Today I talked with a collegue about this subject and he said that he can also make a point without comparing. He rather does that. Of course this is possible, but I wonder if I could/want to do that in every situation.
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It doesn't seem like we'll ever agree on this. For that matter, I'd rather put my energy into other things than this discussion.
 
I'm finally going to make a point in this thread:

Godwin's Law is, and always has been, a bit of a joke.  That is to say, the first part of it (that the likelyhood of a Hitler/Nazi reference being made approaches 1) is true, but the second part, about losing an argument, is a fucking joke.  Like lol-style joke.  It's not serious.

If you make an appropriate Nazi reference, then very well, we shall continue the discussion.  I think they are few and far between, but that's a different discussion.  If you make an inappropriate Nazi reference, then you're probably an idiot.

This whole thread is being mostly contended by non-anglophones, and maybe that has contributed to it.  But my advice: lighten up a little about Godwin's Law.  It's not intended to be that serious.
 
Perun said:
It doesn't seem like we'll ever agree on this.
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That's OK, I don't see what's so terrible about not agreeing on something.  :ok:

LooseCannon said:
but the second part, about losing an argument, is a fucking joke.  Like lol-style joke.  It's not serious.
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Hmm, I saw that element as something important, and to be honest: as something serious.

LooseCannon said:
If you make an appropriate Nazi reference, then very well, we shall continue the discussion.  I think they are few and far between, but that's a different discussion.  If you make an inappropriate Nazi reference, then you're probably an idiot.
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Fine.

LooseCannon said:
This whole thread is being mostly contended by non-anglophones, and maybe that has contributed to it.  But my advice: lighten up a little about Godwin's Law.  It's not intended to be that serious.
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Alright, we'll see. :)
 
Some people take the second part seriously; they're probably idiots too.  Godwin's Law is a warning that eventually someone will drop the H-Bomb, and probably that person is dumb.  That's all.  Usually, if someone says "Godwin'd!", they're saying it with tongue-in-cheek.
 
Now, my point isn't just linked to "Godwin's Law" explicitly. The thing is, in many internet discussions I come across, whenever somebody makes a Nazi reference, he or she is inevitably accused of bringing the discussion off track - without further arguments. So even though "Godwin's Law" itself is a tongue-in-cheek thing, many people seriously have just that attitude.

Now, quite often it is justified to call the one bringing up Hitler (or another bad leader) an idiot, especially in the case when one tries to put his opponents in the Nazi box by drawing some comparison. I see far too many political discussions that end up in people accusing each other of being Communist or "brown" (a common Nazi reference due to the brown uniform shirts). I mostly stay out of political discussions on the web because of that.

In face-to-face discussions, people are more careful with putting labels on their opponents. Fortunately.
 
It means probability = 100%.

In mathematical equations which calculate probability, percentages below 100% are expressed as decimals. A 10% chance would appears as 0.1 in the equations. So if the equation comes out with the answer 1, it means 100%.
 
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