Fat people

JackKnife said:
Never heard about this guy (Jamie Oliver), would you recommend a book he wrote or something?

No, he's an excruciatingly annoying chef who pisses off 90% of Britons.  His message may be right, and there is a load of crap in school dinners, but I do not want anyone telling me what to eat, let alone some 20 year-old twat from Essex.
 
Raven said:
No, he's an excruciatingly annoying chef who pisses off 90% of Britons.
I must be one of the 10% - I actually like the guy. He has a passion for food (yes, he is a chef and by rights he should be, but his passion is more contagious than others), he has a certain tenacity about him that I admire - he is not someone who gives in easy - and he is willing to give kids a chance to better themselves if they want too which he does of his own back and funds it from his time and money (yeah, OK he then sells the idea to a TV company to broadcast). I suppose you could argue that he makes a bit of a song and dance about it by been on Channel 4 every week to tell us this is what he is doing, but I have no objection to that - if it don't rock your boat, switch over.


Raven said:
His message may be right, and there is a load of crap in school dinners, but I do not want anyone telling me what to eat,
His message is right, but it should not be school kids been told what to eat, it should be them been educated what is good/bad/etc. (as well as the parents) and then the choice be made.

Raven said:
let alone some 20 year-old twat from Essex.
Nought wrong with Essex folk. :D
 
I just got a very worrying information:
A study [1980-2001] based on 120000 american (USA) childen yielded the following amazing result:
Today the percentage of obese person among child aged 0-6 months reaches 5.9%...
:o...With what kind of s..t are the parents feeding these babies????? It's terrible to be obese even before you're able to walk. :(
 
Albie said:
I must be one of the 10% - I actually like the guy. He has a passion for food (yes, he is a chef and by rights he should be, but his passion is more contagious than others), he has a certain tenacity about him that I admire - he is not someone who gives in easy - and he is willing to give kids a chance to better themselves if they want too which he does of his own back and funds it from his time and money (yeah, OK he then sells the idea to a TV company to broadcast). I suppose you could argue that he makes a bit of a song and dance about it by been on Channel 4 every week to tell us this is what he is doing, but I have no objection to that - if it don't rock your boat, switch over.

His message is right, but it should not be school kids been told what to eat, it should be them been educated what is good/bad/etc. (as well as the parents) and then the choice be made.
Nought wrong with Essex folk. :D

Yes, but then I switch over and he's on the incessant Sainsbury's ads, always with a smart-ass idea to cook something 'new and wonderful'.  Okay, I don't particularly like celebrity chefs, I'll admit it...even the ones from Ireland (Paul Rankin) irritate me...I just can't get that bothered about food, I suppose.  I enjoy certain types, but I don't appreciate it the way these guys do...besides, I have a fairly balanced diet and I do quite a bit of exercise (although I've done next to none over the summer), so obesity was never really a concern for me.

Still, what JackKnife found out disgusts me.  Rounding up to 6%, that's 7200 babies out of the sample population...seriously, what is wrong with these people?  Babies have such a rapid metabolism they hardly have time to put on much fat (other than baby fat), and considering that most of what goes into a baby comes back up again...still, I'm hardly one to criticise...UK has one of the highest obesity rates in Europe; then again, if they weren't fat they'd be committing crime-we also have one of the highest crime rates here! :(
 
Raven said:
I just can't get that bothered about food, I suppose.  I enjoy certain types, but I don't appreciate it the way these guys do
I do hear people say this, but - seriously - I can't fully comprehend. I mean, a decent plate of food laid out in front of you has to be something to get a tad excited about - surely?

I love food and the different tastes/textures it can provide. It seriously is something I can feel passionate about - that is partly why I started a thread about, well, passion.

To me, it would be like telling someone how good metal is - when really they are happy with James Blunt...
 
I feel "passionate" about very few thing, but the things I do feel passionate over I am boderline fanatical. However with everything else it i pretyy... blah. I don't care much for cars, as long as it gets me from point a to point b, all t.v sucks (even the history channel can be dumb), nothing good on radio and as far as food goes, as long as it keeps me from dying it's all good. I've eaten fried worms (taste like french fries), grasshoppers (crunchy!), bulls blood "cakes" etc. But there is no particular dish I'd kill over.
 
For future reference, Onhell is only passionate about a) the Bruins, b) the Penguins, c) Metal.
 
LOL more like Music, books and hockey (as a whole not just a couple of clubs)... for future refrence :D
 
JackKnife said:
I just got a very worrying information:
A study [1980-2001] based on 120000 american (USA) childen yielded the following amazing result:
Today the percentage of obese person among child aged 0-6 months reaches 5.9%...
:o...With what kind of s..t are the parents feeding these babies????? It's terrible to be obese even before you're able to walk. :(

Yes, well it's all a load of rubbish, obesity figures.

These days, anybody bigger than Victoria Beckham or Teri Hatcher is classified as obese.
 
rcirani said:
Yes, well it's all a load of rubbish, obesity figures.

These days, anybody bigger than Victoria Beckham or Teri Hatcher is classified as obese.
Not exactly. There are scientific measures for obesity. Possibly some people tend to consider that you are obese as soon as you're bigger than V. Beckham but this is not what we were discussing. We were talking about true obesity as defined by science. That makes all the difference. ;)
 
I don't think the fast food industry or any other food industry can be blamed for obesity. After all, you can stop after the 10th burger can't you? :rolleyes: Which brings me to what really infuriates me. Fat people suing McDonalds for being fat. I mean seriously, GO FOR A WALK! Very healthy, and a refreshing way to get rid of all that fat you amassed after eating that extra-large portion of fries. Besides, whatever happened to good old home cooking? Granted, it might be a bit more expensive, but its healthier. In this day and age we live under the falsehood that everything is fast and everyone works faster and we need fast food because we're too stressed for cooking...etc. Is it true that people work faster and more? I don't think so. My economics teacher told our class about some former student of his that told him she works at a company where you are regarded as lazy if you don't get in to work at 7 a.m. and stay until 8 p.m., yet she says she doesn't work more than she would normally, in fact, she and everybody else, just work slower! So, really, we don't even need fast food for anything. And, in order to get you all really grossed out about fast food, I recommend Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser.

Veggies for life!
 
Home cooking is CHEAPER in the long run than buying fast food all the time. Think about it. you buy a $18 dollar roast beef, some veggies, rice or potatoes. You cook them all, myself being single that lasts me a couple of weeks, when I lived with my mom that lasted us an entire week. Yet if you eat McDonald's, Burger King or whatever other fast food a "meal" combo of burger, fries and a soda is about 5 bucks maybe more. Now, as Morgan Spurlock pointed out in "Supersize Me" some people do eat that three times a day.. so that is 15 bucks a day to eat three meals! When 25 bucks of home cooking can last you a week. Also, Fast food DOES make you fatter than "normal" food. That does not excuse or vindicate the stupid people suing these establishments for what is their own lazy fault.
 
Spurlock also got addicted to fast food, feeling really crappy until he got his daily "fix" - a burger-and-fries meal. That should mean, as Natalie said about stopping after the 10th burger, that you have to stop before the 10th or it may be too late :o Of course you can get obese from home cooking too, but at least you can balance your food with some veggies, fruits and such.
 
Neither can I.

I love strong flavours & sauces/gravy.  Fast food is just tasteless so I don't bother :puke:
 
People who wanna lose weight don't have to eat less, but just to engage in weight training and some cardio. That would provide for the caloric deficit that would lead to fat loss, and possibly muscle gain at the same time.
 
They don't have to eat less per se, but they have to control what they eat. Hours of cardio and weights can be put off if what you eat is lots of saturated stuff. In some people, they think if they exercise more they can eat more, that's harmful. It's all in having a balanced diet, you can do all the exercise in the world, but eating it with junk can make it vain. Two words, balanced diet.
 
I've got a thyroid problem & mobility problems as well. I heard there is/was an Air Guitar aerobics thing, anyone heard/seen about it? :help:

I saw this documentary w/ this US woman who kept on about her sex life. She was 50st or something heading that way & was unable to do *anything* [she could before she got to 50st]. I was quite :scared:
 
Latest national security threat: obesity

*devours a salami sandwich*

I decided to use this thread, but if you guys want, it could also be in a new one. This subject might interest not only people who care about health but also people who care about military service, and national defense.

I assume this touches a very serious problem: According to two retired American top generals the national security of the US is threatened indirectly by obesity among the youth. One third of the American youth is so fat that they are not suited for the army. They can't do the excercises. Something drastic must happen to change this impending doom scenario.

Read on in the Washington Post:

The latest national security threat: obesity

By John M. Shalikashvili and Hugh Shelton / Friday, April 30, 2010

Are we becoming a nation too fat to defend ourselves?

It seems incredible, but these are the facts: As of 2005, at least 9 million young adults -- 27 percent of all Americans ages 17 to 24 -- were too overweight to serve in the military, according to the Army's analysis of national data. And since then, these high numbers have remained largely unchanged.

Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show obesity rates among young adults increasing dramatically nationwide. From 1998 to 2008, the number of states reporting that 40 percent or more of young adults are overweight or obese has risen from one to 39.

While other significant factors can keep our youth from joining the military -- such as lacking a high school diploma or having a serious criminal record -- being overweight or obese has become the leading medical reason recruits are rejected for military service. Since 1995, the proportion of potential recruits who failed their physical exams because of weight issues has increased nearly 70 percent, according to data reported by the Division of Preventive Medicine at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research.

We consider this problem so serious from a national security perspective that we have joined more than 130 other retired generals, admirals and senior military leaders in calling on Congress to pass new child nutrition legislation.

What children eat and drink during school hours constitutes as much as 40 percent of their daily nutrient intake. Properly managed, the school environment can be instrumental in fostering healthful eating habits among our children.

Researchers from Rice University and the University of Houston noted in the journal Health Affairs in March that increasing participation in federal nutrition programs "may be the most effective tool to use in combating obesity in poor children."

As a nation, we need to take the next step. Our school districts need the resources to offer our children more vegetables, fruits and whole grains as well as products with less sugar, sodium, fat and calories in school cafeterias and vending machines. Yes, this will mean increasing funding for child nutrition programs. But with our nation spending at least $75 billion a year on medical expenses related to obesity, we think these steps will pay off over the long term.

We urge Congress to pass a robust child nutrition bill that would:

-- Get the junk food and remaining high-calorie beverages out of our schools by adopting new standards, based on the latest research, for foods and drinks sold or served in our schools. Standards for school meals are 15 years old. Clearly, they need to be upgraded.

-- Support the administration's proposal of an increase of $1 billion per year for 10 years for child nutrition programs that would improve nutrition standards, upgrade the quality of meals served in schools and enable more children to have access to these programs.

-- Develop research-based strategies, implemented through our schools, that help parents and children adopt healthier lifelong eating and exercise habits.

Military concerns about the fitness of our children are not new. When the National School Lunch Act was first passed in 1946, it was seen as a matter of national security. Many of our military leaders recognized that poor nutrition was a significant factor reducing the pool of qualified candidates for service.

Our country is facing another serious health crisis. Obesity rates threaten the overall health of America and the future strength of our military. We must act, as we did after World War II, to ensure that our children can one day defend our country, if need be.

Retired U.S. Army Gen. John M. Shalikashvili served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from October 1993 to September 1997. Retired U.S. Army Gen. Hugh Shelton served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from October 1997 to September 2001. Both are on the executive advisory council of Mission: Readiness, a nonprofit organization of retired senior military leaders.
 
There is, and has been, considerable discussion on this topic in Finland, though obesity is just one of the factors discussed.  Overall, the "insuitaility" of young men for the army is growing every year, and the effect is amplified because of the army being based on conscription.  I think part of the reason, though, is mental issues; some people are so used to the "easy" lifestyle of today that they can't stand army discipline.

Based on my experience, though, even fat people can usually finish their service without major difficulties.  After basic training, (here) they tend to be assigned to less physical duties such as logistics (drivers, medics, office jobs and the like).  Basic training is not physically too demanding, it is just usually considered to be the worst part of your service because of the "shock" of changing lifestyles and because you're treated like shit. 

I would guess either the US army is more demanding in physical fitness, or people are fatter there than here.  Probably both.
 
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