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bearfan said:
Kiev — Russian aircraft carrying nearly 2,000 suspected troops have landed at a military air base near the regional capital of the restive Crimean peninsula, a top Ukrainian official said Friday, accusing Moscow of an "armed invasion".

"Thirteen Russian aircraft landed at the airport of Gvardeyskoye (near Simferopol) with 150 people in each one," Sergiy Kunitsyn, the Ukrainian president's special representive in Crimea, told the local ATR television channel, adding the air space had been closed. It was not immediately clear if Russia had the right to use the base or send additional troops there under its agreements with Ukraine.
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Yup, a Crimean War is definitely very very near.
 
About the only thing the Ukraine can do to save its skin now is to let go of Crimea and hope that was the worst of it.
 
Perun said:
About the only thing the Ukraine can do to save its skin now is to let go of Crimea and hope that was the worst of it.
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No international body will help them. That was the lesson of Georgia. The Ukraine is very much on their own.
 
Eh. The difference is, Georgia is not an important country. The Ukraine has the world's most fertile soil. Some countries are going to care.
 
I'm sure Ukraine won't like to play into Russia's hands by giving up a great port city. But to be honest, I think it's inevitable. Russians are the majority in Crimea (%60), Ukraine is messed up and Russia desperately wants a major port in Black Sea. Since it's inevitable Kiev giving it up would result in saving hundreds of people's lives but harsh reality doesn't work like that.
 
Sevastopol has always been under Russian control anyway, at least unofficially. It's just national pride that's at stake here.
 
I'm more curious if the Russians would incorporate it as an exclave oblast like Kaliningrad or create a puppet Republic of the Crimea or something.
 
And the World Cup in 2018. :okok:

Not that the Russians really have anyone else to vote in as president. Russia is theoretically a democracy but in reality no one is allowed to compete with the Communists.
 
Black Wizard said:
Not that the Russians really have anyone else to vote in as president. Russia is theoretically a democracy but in reality no one is allowed to compete with the Communists.
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What? Putin or the government party (United Russia) are not communists, not even close. They're statists. They're pretty nationalist and conservative. Just because Putin was a former KGB agent, doesn't make him a communist.

The main opposing party is the communist party in Russia.
 
Interesting

A treaty signed in 1994 by the US and Britain could pull both countries into a war to protect Ukraine if President Putin's troops cross into the country.

Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma – the then-rulers of the USA, UK, Russia and Ukraine - agreed to the The Budapest Memorandum as part of the denuclearization of former Soviet republics after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

Technically it means that if Russia has invaded Ukraine then it would be difficult for the US and Britain to avoid going to war.

Putin installed 150,000 troops along Ukraine's borders after the overthrow of Moscow ally Viktor Yanukovych by pro-European protesters.

On Friday, as pro-Russia gunmen patrolled Crimean streets in armored vehicles and took over airports there, President Obama delivered a blunt warnings to Moscow.

"We are now deeply concerned by reports of military movements taken by the Russian Federation inside of Ukraine," he told reporters at the White House.

"Any violation of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity would be deeply destabilizing," he said in a brief appearance. "The United States will stand with the international community in affirming that there will be costs for any military intervention in Ukraine."



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