digging Pink Floyd

____no5 said:
I think in the final cut, he is not credited at all
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Of course he isn't, he wasn't in the band anymore and didn't have to do anything at all with that album.
 
JackKnife said:
However we can't say it's a bad album, it has its own qualities and I like it anyway. It's dark and the guitar and keyboards parts are not as good as usual in my opinion.
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My problem with The Final Cut isn't that "it's just a Waters solo album" (you might as well call Piper a Syd Barrett album), I just find most of it dull. Whatever happened to the richness of sound present in the early seventies albums? As Gilmour puts it, the music-lyrics balance is almost completely overthrown here, and while some of the lyrics are very good, Waters is generally below his standards and gets rather tedious in my opinion. Four songs or so would have got the message across alright.

Not a high point in the catalogue, although I'm rather fond of playing this album as background music.
 
Shadow said:
My problem with The Final Cut isn't that "it's just a Waters solo album" (you might as well call Piper a Syd Barrett album), I just find most of it dull. Whatever happened to the richness of sound present in the early seventies albums? As Gilmour puts it, the music-lyrics balance is almost completely overthrown here, and while some of the lyrics are very good, Waters is generally below his standards and gets rather tedious in my opinion. Four songs or so would have got the message across alright.

Not a high point in the catalogue, although I'm rather fond of playing this album as background music.
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You said it perfectly Shadow. I do agree at 100% with you. It's a Waters solo album named Pink Floyd. Business is business. This album is the absolute opposite of A momentary ... where the meaning and lyrical content is invisible.

To come back to "A Piper..." I must say that I really love the 2 solo albums released by Syd. They are so strange...
For all the people who loved the first Pink Floyd release, do not hesitate to listen to the late Syd Barret's solo album..! :)
 
JackKnife said:
You said it perfectly Shadow.
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???? <_<

JackKnife said:
I do agree at 100% with you.
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<_<  <_<

JackKnife said:
It's a Waters solo album named Pink Floyd. Business is business. This album is the absolute opposite of A momentary ... where the meaning and lyrical content is invisible.
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wait a minute, JackKnife (trembling voice)
the spiritual rights of this idea (see my below noon quote), are mine equally!!
a little respect here please

____no5 said:
FINAL CUT
I've heard this album just 2 times in its entireness, so that's why it's not in my list (along with "ummagumma", and "a momentary....") of digged albums

exept not now John that is an hymn for me and my post abolescence company, I don't like it so much, it's the album the more Waters-personal-work-like, he ?
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(get up stand up, as sung from Bob Marley somewhere in earth, in someone's winamp, as of mine, Lucifer Sam)

JackKnife said:
To come back to "A Piper..." I must say that I really love the 2 solo albums released by Syd. They are so strange...
For all the people who loved the first Pink Floyd release, do not hesitate to listen to the late Syd Barret's solo album..! :)
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you speak about Opel ?
 
____no5 said:
???? <_<

<_<  <_<

wait a minute, JackKnife (trembling voice)
the spiritual rights of this idea (see my below noon quote), are mine equally!!
a little respect here please
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Do you want royalties? :lol:


____no5 said:
you speak about Opel ?
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Nope, Opel is a compilation. I'm thinking about his two original releases,
The Madcap Laughs
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and

Barrett
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JackKnife said:
Nope, Opel is a compilation. I'm thinking about his two original releases,
The Madcap Laughs, Barrett
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Flute ! (the piper at the gates of dawn)

I don't like it (Opel), even if I L-O-V-E "the piper..." Lp (but not so the "Saucerful..." one)
really I don't agree with Shadow that we can speak for a Barrett album in the case of "the Piper..."
....the second Pink Floyd album is other story, the influence of Barrett doesn't exist....

And I will explain you why : Maybe almost everything is written by Barrett here, but the musicians are not session ones, but real group members, great music talents (+ex-architect students) so there is an equilibrant, that is doesn't exist in Barrett's personal works.....this is my explaination

No, in the first album we can speak for HUGE Barrett influence, and by no means we can speak for a personal work, it's a Pink Floyd album, just too much influenced by HM
take for example the "Stethoscope" song a Waters song, but so influenced by Barrett
...in the second album "set the controls..." is again a Waters composition, but here the Waters signature (as we all know) is obvious....

I can't put the first two albums together just because there is the name Barrett in the credits
For me, even in the second album, Barrett was allready "gone"
 
I only have a few Floyd albums: Animals, Wish you were here, Dark side of the moon and The wall. I REALLY like them all, but don't really have a favorite. I want to get some pre and post Waters stuff and I think it is a shame Barret went bananas, but hey, we got waters and once his ego got to big, I hear Gilmoure carried on nicely, so I'll see when I finally get around to listening/purchasing them.
 
____no5 said:
really I don't agree with Shadow that we can speak for a Barrett album in the case of "the Piper..."
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Didn't anyone get what I was saying? I said that I disagree with the labelling of The Final Cut as a Roger Waters album, comparing it to calling Piper a Syd Barrett album, which I've never seen discussed and consider deeply erroneous. I never implied that I thought it was one.
 
Shadow said:
Didn't anyone get what I was saying? I said that I disagree with the labelling of The Final Cut as a Roger Waters album, comparing it to calling Piper a Syd Barrett album, which I've never seen discussed and consider deeply erroneous. I never implied that I thought it was one.
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unfortunately I don't have time to search and quote your sayings
...but don't you find it strange that two -at least two, JackKnife and I- different people
understood exactly the opposite of what you wanted to say ?
 
____no5 said:
unfortunately I don't have time to search and quote your sayings
...but don't you find it strange that two -at least two, JackKnife and I- different people
understood exactly the opposite of what you wanted to say ?
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That just proves that you and I don't pay enough attention.  :blush:
 
I might have phrased my post a bit ambiguously, but I don't think the point was too unclear. Perhaps we can rest the case and go back to discussing Floyd?
 
Shadow said:
I might have phrased my post a bit ambiguously, but I don't think the point was too unclear. Perhaps we can rest the case and go back to discussing Floyd?
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OK. What do you think about their live albums? And did you like the Live in Pompei?
I wish they released live recording of the 74-75 tours....
 
Shadow said:
My problem with The Final Cut isn't that "it's just a Waters solo album" (you might as well call Piper a Syd Barrett album), I just find most of it dull. Whatever happened to the richness of sound present in the early seventies albums? As Gilmour puts it, the music-lyrics balance is almost completely overthrown here, and while some of the lyrics are very good, Waters is generally below his standards and gets rather tedious in my opinion. Four songs or so would have got the message across alright.

Not a high point in the catalogue, although I'm rather fond of playing this album as background music.
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here is the post in question,
one quote deserves a thousand drawings
conclusions are all yours


ps : thus one million words

*modified*
who didn't like the Live in Pompei?
the scene with Seamus' barking has marked me deeply
 
JackKnife said:
OK. What do you think about their live albums? And did you like the Live in Pompei?
I wish they released live recording of the 74-75 tours....
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I'm afraid I don't have any of their live works yet, with the exception of the Ummagumma live disc. So I'll answer with a question; any particular live album you would recommend getting first? I've been thinking about PULSE (especially the DVD), but I'm not sure.
 
Shadow said:
I'm afraid I don't have any of their live works yet, with the exception of the Ummagumma live disc. So I'll answer with a question; any particular live album you would recommend getting first? I've been thinking about PULSE (especially the DVD), but I'm not sure.
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There're two live albums released after Water's departure, A delicate sound of thunder and Pulse. The former is really weak while the latter is quite correct. The DVD version includes (as bonus) movies that were used during the 70. I don't have the dvd yet but I think it's worth the money.
The band also released the wall live. It's a 2 cd set with no surprise but a correct live rendition of the wall and no other tracks apart from those used in The Wall...
:smartarse:
 
JackKnife said:
and no other tracks apart from those used in The Wall...
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*Ahem*... "The Last Few Bricks" was not included on the studio album. It's nothing to get excited about, but I felt I needed to point that out. :P
 
Neither was, to be perfectly factually correct, What Shall We Do Now? :P

Thanks for the information! I share your disappointment in the lack of live albums from the seventies, but there are several high-quality bootlegs circulating from what I've heard, so if you really want it there's always that.

Has anyone seen any of the DVDs documenting the Syd Barrett days that are available? Are they any good? I would be very interested in live recordings from that era.
 
Perun said:
*Ahem*... "The Last Few Bricks" was not included on the studio album. It's nothing to get excited about, but I felt I needed to point that out. :P
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You're right mate.  :blush:

Shadow said:
Neither was, to be perfectly factually correct, What Shall We Do Now? :P
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You're right as well mate.  :blush:  :blush:

Shadow said:
Thanks for the information! I share your disappointment in the lack of live albums from the seventies, but there are several high-quality bootlegs circulating from what I've heard, so if you really want it there's always that.

Has anyone seen any of the DVDs documenting the Syd Barrett days that are available? Are they any good? I would be very interested in live recordings from that era.
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I've got a few old bootleg recordings, the sound quality is generally very average.
An example :
http://www.pf-roio.de/roio/roio-cd/stoned_alone.cd.html
 
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