Deconstructing Eddie: My Iron Maiden Songs & Albums Countdown

LooseCannon said:
It's a fantastic book.
cornfedhick said:
"Sucks to your ass-mar!" is one of the great all-time literary phrases. 

Indeed. But I disagree with all three of Vala's choices.  Holy Smoke is justified, though I happen to like the song quite a lot.  Lord of the Flies is an excellent rocker that gets better live.  Well, most rockers get better live, but this more so than most. 
 
Jonszat said:
Lord of the Flies is way better than #114.

Agreed, but I believe this is officially the "all songs are so great there really isn't that much of a difference betwee 114 and 75 or 30 because they are all really good" part of the list.

Then again, it's not my list.  :bigsmile:
 
Holy smoke ain't the greatest song but the video is so funny. i can't stop watching it. Dave playing a guitar solo in a stream, janick playing his solo on an inflatable guitar in a swimming pool. Steve riding around on a tractor. Some of the funniest shit ive ever seen. only discovered the video today.
 
Lord of the Flies is a 3/5 for me and Holy Smoke is a 3.5/5 song for me and Virus is a 5/5 IMHO. I suspect, Vala, that you're not quite this high into ratings.  I agree with you assessment, though maybe not rating, of Lord of the Flies.  Great groovy, "affect-laden" riff, as well as good bass.  The intro and outro are the best parts of the music, the middle carries on too long.
 
Donner said:
Agreed, but I believe this is officially the "all songs are so great there really isn't that much of a difference betwee 114 and 75 or 30 because they are all really good" part of the list.

I'd say there's a considerable difference with 114 and 75. The songs that are not that far apart from each other are probably only within 10 places of each other. Also, as Invader pointed out way back in page 1:

Invader said:
you will get criticism from someone for every single song you choose to rank at any particular location. ;)

;)
 
Geez Vala, I was going to cut you some slack and agree with Donner, but since you don't... :D

I'd might rate Holy Smoke a little lower and Lord of the Flies a fair bit higher, but I can see where you are coming from in your take on each.

You missed the boat on Virus. Steve can get sketchy when he tries to get political in his songs, but not this time. He nailed this one in that special music-matches-the-lyrics way only Maiden can do. What you call a drawn-out intro, is to me a great musical representation of the resignation and restrained anger of the protagonist, a man who is trying his best not to let the shitty state of the world get to him. You have to pay attention to hear it, the point being society is too self-absorbed to pay attention to what seethes in the hearts of people as their institutions fail them time and again. The anger bubbles a couple times, pulls back, then explodes into musical bitterness and fury. After a magnificent musical passage, it calms slightly into a pointed (rats in the cellar) statement of clarity. This speaks to the truths that often surface at the tail end of the angry outbursts of most good people. Then the song returns to the muted frustration of those who understand that their anger won't change a thing. This song, my friend, is a work of art.

Too bad Virus wasn't part of Virtual XI. It may have given the song the attention it deserved and that album the killer track it needed to push it over the top.
 
Genghis Khan said:
Lord of the Flies is a 3/5 for me and Holy Smoke is a 3.5/5 song for me and Virus is a 5/5 IMHO. I suspect, Vala, that you're not quite this high into ratings.

If I consider that the #1 song is a 10/10 and I'd rate QFF a 5/10 (considering all music in general), then I guess the songs at this point of the countdown are on that 6-7/10 border already.

If I consider that the #1 song is a 10/10 and I'd rate QFF a 1/10 (relative only to Iron Maiden's body of work), then I guess the songs at this point of the countdown are a 4/10 already.
mckindog said:
You missed the boat on Virus. Steve can get sketchy when he tries to get political in his songs, but not this time. He nailed this one in that special music-matches-the-lyrics way only Maiden can do. What you call a drawn-out intro, is to me a great musical representation of the resignation and restrained anger of the protagonist, a man who is trying his best not to let the shitty state of the world get to him. You have to pay attention to hear it, the point being society is too self-absorbed to pay attention to what seethes in the hearts of people as their institutions fail them time and again. The anger bubbles a couple times, pulls back, then explodes into musical bitterness and fury. After a magnificent musical passage, it calms slightly into a pointed (rats in the cellar) statement of clarity. This speaks to the truths that often surface at the tail end of the angry outbursts of most good people. Then the song returns to the muted frustration of those who understand that their anger won't change a thing. This song, my friend, is a work of art.

I think I know what you mean when you say that Steve can get sketchy when he tries to get political in his songs. Are you thinking about "Age of Innocence" maybe? :) In that respect, I agree with you about the content of "Virus". As I said, the lyrics are very meaty. The writing is quite inspired. The music matches the lyrics and it shows that the band put a lot of thought into the song. I'm glad that you're passionate about it that way.

However, I'm a "music-over-lyrics" kind of person in a big way. The music felt average, stretched-out, wasn't catchy and didn't get me excited. Maybe a bit when it switched to up-tempo; but yeah, not so much...
 
valacirca said:
If I consider that the #1 song is a 10/10 and I'd rate QFF a 5/10 (considering all music in general), then I guess the songs at this point of the countdown are on that 6-7/10 border already.

If I consider that the #1 song is a 10/10 and I'd rate QFF a 1/10 (relative only to Iron Maiden's body of work), then I guess the songs at this point of the countdown are a 4/10 already.
Thanks for the explanation.  Then will have quite a few more yet to come in the 6 or 7 out of 10 rating.
 
   Good work here with these selections, lotf could have been even lower for my tastes, but good getting these 3  out early.  This list is starting to take shape nicely, and still only Quest for Fire is totally out of place for me.  You have a real exciting thread going on here bro...
 
^ Thanks b1.

Hm...

I might want to make this ranking thing a once or twice a year activity. It would be interesting to do Rush next...
 
Deconstructing Eddie: My Iron Maiden Songs & Albums Countdown - ***On Hiatus***

valacirca said:
I'm dropping these three because I know that I'll be a bit busy in the next few days...

Well... unfortunately, what I said several days ago didn't turn out to be true... instead of being a bit busy, things became fully blown into being really busy - and probably not just for a few days. Not so busy I won't be able to function, but busy enough that I'll have to put some things on hold. In light of this, I have to drop updating this thread temporarily. I'll pick up where I left off when I have enough breathing room again :P
 
  You deserve a break Val.  Go tend to your life "outside the list".  We'll be here waiting for song 111....Up the Irons.
 
Deconstructing Eddie: My Iron Maiden Songs & Albums Countdown - Song #111

Okay, so I took a month-long break just to take care of some urgent things at work and get a breather. I'll be updating this thing again now, although I'll be keeping the song write-ups to around 100 words and the album writeups a bit longer than that.

111. The Fugitive (Fear of the Dark) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LANaS-tK8GI
"I'm sick and tired of running, the hunger and the pain"

The only thing I like about this track is the intro. The heavy thumping of the drums and ripping of the guitars really felt as if they were ushering in something epic. Unfortunately, the song devolves into an average and  formulaic piece with a chorus that isn't exactly bad, but treads that thin line that separates cheesy from anthemic. The thrilling urgency in the rhythm and groovy beat – especially in the instrumental section - sort of save this song but it still ends up feeling unremarkable.
 
Welcome back! 

The drum intro is the best part of the song and then it depreciates in awesomeness, like you said.  Reminds me of 'Face in the Sand'.
 
  Welcome back, indeed Val.  Nice selection too.  The Fugitive. I do love the dramatic head banging intro.  That is the highlight of the song. 
 
I was all pumped to see this thread pop back into my life until I actually read your post.

It's way more fun when I don't agree with every word.  ;)


Welcome back Vala!
 
Genghis Khan said:
Reminds me of 'Face in the Sand'.
Hm. I haven't seen the similarities between those two songs so I'll have to compare them now that you mentioned it :D

bornless1 said:
Welcome back, indeed Val.  Nice selection too.  The Fugitive. I do love the dramatic head banging intro.  That is the highlight of the song.
Thanks b1 :D

mckindog said:
It's way more fun when I don't agree with every word.
LOL. Dispute is indeed way more interesting than accord, isn't it? :D
 
I love the chorus on The Fugitive but the rest of the song not so much. I quite like the last verse too but it's probably in the right position on your list.
 
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