Deconstructing Eddie: My Iron Maiden Songs & Albums Countdown

Play Classics! said:
Unless you're a rather shallow person - not a thinker so to speak.  I can perfectly understand why some folks don't get the X Factor.  It only makes me love it more.
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I can understand it, too, when I think how Maiden got to that point aesthetically, how Bruce carachterized the image of the band's music 'cos Maiden always changed from one album to another, but the voice was the main constant reference. The X Factor was a really huge change vocally, but musically, it just kept the process of changing. I think that even if Bruce had stayed the album would've been really dark, too.
 
Bornless, you should really stop with this "blaze sucks" attitude, it takes from the seriousness of your opinion, at least in my eyes.
And Jeff, c'mon, you don't like AMOLAD, while I think it's very profound and deep, so you can't say that anyone who doesn't like TXF is a shallow person.

EDIT: Sorry Jeff, it was PC that said that crap about shallowness, not you.
 
I always said that AMOLAD lyrically is stunning, some lyrics there are some of my fave. And where did I call people shallow, fella?

Glad you perceived it. :bigsmile:
 
bornless1 said:
  Are these Maiden albums?;  Tattooed millionaire, Balls to Picasso, Skunkworks etc. etc.  I'm not asking if you like them or not.  ARE THEY IRON MAIDEN ALBUMS?  If not, why not?   They have around the same ratio of REAL Iron Maiden members.  Including the LEAD SINGER of Iron Maiden.  Those albums are as much Iron Maiden as the "virtual Maiden" in question.  Only better.  Vocals are the hardest aspect to "Mimic"
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No, they're not Maiden albums. Because Bruce formed a brand new band with all new members and carried on himself.
 
bornless1 said:
  Are these Maiden albums?;  Tattooed millionaire, Balls to Picasso, Skunkworks etc. etc.  I'm not asking if you like them or not.  ARE THEY IRON MAIDEN ALBUMS?  If not, why not?   They have around the same ratio of REAL Iron Maiden members.  Including the LEAD SINGER of Iron Maiden.  Those albums are as much Iron Maiden as the "virtual Maiden" in question.  Only better.  Vocals are the hardest aspect to "Mimic"
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What are you on mate?  A "real" Maiden member would be someone who is in fact in the band, wouldn't it?   I can dig that some folks don't like Blaze, but hey - what about Steve, Janick, Dave and Nicko, they played on The X Factor too you know? I don't get you.
 
Also, why should Blaze or whoever they had hired - mimic Dickinson?   I appreciate The X Factor all the more because of the different voice Blaze brought, which was perfect for that album, and better than Dickinson would do it.
 
I will accede that Bruce put out some great albums with one former Maiden member at a time. But I would never call AoB or TCW a Maiden album, because Bruce Dickinson ain't Iron Maiden. Adrian Smith ain't Iron Maiden.

Only one guy is Iron Maiden. Steve Harris.

If it's a band with Steve Harris in it and Steve says it's Iron Maiden, then it's Iron Fucking Maiden.
bornless1 said:
I had a notion I'd get trashed for not accepting the inferior Blaze Bailey.
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Nobody asked you to like TXF or VXI. Nobody did. We asked you to give the guy a bit of respect. The notion that a singer defines a band is a terrible one when that band has more to it than just a voice.

But you deserved to be trashed for your attitude. Not only have you been constantly insulting towards Blaze, you have been constantly insulting towards people who have a different opinion than you.
 
No, he didn't. Sure, by the end of the VXI tour, they knew that the relationship with Blaze had to end. And Steve made some bad decisions that caused the TXF and VXI tour to suffer in places. But he wrote a bunch of really good songs for Blaze's vocal styles. I don't think Steve has ever said once that Blaze was a bad singer. It just became apparent at a certain point that he wasn't fitting well, that he couldn't do the load of the touring, and that both Bruce and Steve were ready to reconcile after a solid decade of getting under each other's skin.
 
   Not insulting at all towards those who like Blaze.  I see a group of Maiden fans, loyal as all hell to the band, and defending the band at all costs.  I have had fisticuffs in the real world defending this band over all others, so I know the position well.  But when you are in a vocal minority on a subject, you feel the need  to be just that, vocal.  This is a comparison of albums and songs within the band.  And in that case, those albums are the....least good... is that what you want?  Okay.   No one has asked me to like Blaze.  The thread is a about the songs and albums, and because of the 'lineup, at that time, in my ears, those are inferior.  If anyone is offended, my apologies.  All of you have my utmost respect and obviously have incredible taste in music, simply because you are here tells me that.
 
I don't think this is a vocal minority. As I already showed, statistics prove that neither of the Blaze albums are universally hated, though one is certainly in the "least favorite" category, it is not ranked as low as the Bruce 90s albums.

I think the vocal minority are the people who scream that Blaze sucked, and that it's not really Maiden, etc. But I haven't done a poll of Maiden fans althroughout.
 
LooseCannon said:
Only one guy is Iron Maiden. Steve Harris.
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Agreed. And if it was to be someone else, it'd be neither Bruce or Adrian, but Dave Murray.

One shouldn't forget that Bruce and Adrian left Maiden of their own free will, to do SOMETHING ELSE.  It was THEY that publicly stated that they weren't happy any longer being in Maiden, doing what Maiden does.  To then say their solo albums was more "real" Maiden albums (whatever the hell that means) than the actual Maiden is absurd.
 
I really enjoy the songs in both TXF and VXI and although the albums miss the song writing genius of H and the lyrical input of Bruce they are both enjoyable albums. What disappoints me more than anything else with TXF in particular (as it is the stronger in my opinion) is the production. Yes this has been raised before so I a bit broken-recordy. But I'm fine with Blaze on these albums, the songwriting (although personally I lose interest quick in all 90s albums as they don't include the H solos and writing). But the sound of TXF is so weak, in fact so non-existant that Dave and Jannick may as well have been playing acoustic guitars throughout. And this, to me, is the reason the Blaze songs lose marks. Listen to SOTC on RiR or Blood on the Worlds Hands on Archives to hear the ar songs in their full heaviness. Brilliant! Steve produced the albums so I blame him for preventing both albums from becoming Maiden classics...they could sit up there with SIT, SSOASS, TFF sonically.

Blaze aint the problem...Steve's control freakishness. Was the problem. 
Apologies for the typos....bloody Blackberries!!
 
  Enjoying the Clansman as we speak...good song.  Educated fool and futureal very listenable as well.  Angel and the Gambler, such a catchy hook and melody...but too too long.
 
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