Am I a horrible person?

[!--QuoteBegin-SinisterMinisterX+Nov 26 2005, 02:29 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(SinisterMinisterX @ Nov 26 2005, 02:29 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]In response to Liberation: what you posted is, without a doubt, the most idiotic thing I've ever seen on these boards. "pretty much everyone reacts the same to things like that" ????? No. Not even close. There are many people, such as myself, who don't react with fear when approached by a black person. If you do, then you need to examine why that is.
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You're forgetting that I live in western Canada and by "pretty much everyone" Im referring to those who I know, I know very few people who react differently, its just the way it is.

Western Canada is majority white so Id suppose that it could be that change worries us and that could be why most of us act that way. Though, to tell the honest truth, Im trying to get in between the chick Im attracted to and pretty much every guy, I dont want a single guy other than me getting close to her, as I said, human nature.
 
As I said before: I believe Duke has had some sort of conditioning. Maybe it's because people told him of violence by blacks, maybe he has had a bad personal experience in the past- or maybe he watched a TV show, read an article or anything like that long ago. Maybe he can't even remember it. This somehow slipped into his subconcience, and now he unconciously somehow associated "black person" with "danger". This kind of thing happens. It's not nice, but there are certainly ways of dealing with it. I'm not a psychologist, so I don't know which ways, but I'm sure there are some.
 
What were 3 black guys doing at a hockey game ?

j/k [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]

Its the stereotype that society has put on young black males , beaten into our psyche by the media machine.

One thing happened the other day when I took the bus downtown. There were these 3 white hip hop guys on the bus...baggy pants hanging off their asses , caps turned sideways , all talkin' Yo and calling each other Niggah , when these 4-5 black kids in their late teens got on dressed in basic rap fashions ,very articulate and well spoken. It made those "Whiggers" fidget nervously before getting off the bus. Amusing study in our society.



...check out the movie Crash...its pretty cool look on how silly society truly is .
 
I have the kind of reaction Duke described whenever I pass by gypsies. I'm not ashamed of it, as I consider it a normal reaction, considering my history with gypsies... What I mean is, only gypsies picked on me (and this happened several times) for the way I dress, or how long my hair is, but I was never picked on by a romanian.

Again, I'm not ashamed that I cross the street everytime I see a group of gypsies coming towards or behind me. I'm not racist, it's just I prefer to "insult them" rather than to be smashed in the face for wearing longer hair than THEY can tolerate... [!--emo&:angry:--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/mad.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'mad.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
Since there already is a "horrible person" thread I didn't want to create another one, but I have my own experiance to tell. last thursday (dec 1) I met up with some classmates to study after my radio show. So I'm walking to the library around 10:30 pm and there is only one way to discribe tucson at night.... PITCH BLACK, because of the vatican observatory as well as the universiy's there are laws in place to limit public lighting. So anywhere you go you get an eerie feeling. So I see this drunk guy leave a circle K (gas station that also sells snacks and booze for all you EU people) he is struggling to keep his balance while carrying a 12 pack. He crosses the street and procedes to stop traffic. He comes wobbling down the street, I simply walk past him but soon after I hear a *SPLAT*. I turn to find him flat on the floor face down and some of the bottles broke seeping beer through the carton. I turned to help him up and then stopped thinking "1. he's drunk 2. what if he's an angry drunk? what if he thinks I want to steal his beer? screw this" and kept going my merry way, I turned one last time to find him half way down the parking lot still trying to keep his balance, so he was "fine" after all.

should I have helped him?
 
Nah, he's drunk ergo he brought it on himself. You're in the clear.

If he was mentally retarded since birth, it's be a different story.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-IronDuke+Dec 5 2005, 09:42 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(IronDuke @ Dec 5 2005, 09:42 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Nah, he's drunk ergo he brought it on himself. You're in the clear.

If he was mentally retarded since birth, it's be a different story.
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I think it is your moral obligation to help anybody, especially if you hear a "SPLAT". We are all members of one body, like bees in a hive etc etc.
 
I agree with you both, that's where the problem comes in. My first instinct was to help him, then I thought what Duke said, not to mention even though he was pretty drunk he could have pulled a knife on me or something. Plus, even if I helped him up that one time, what if he fell again (more than once) farther down the road? Reminded me of Don Quijote when he "helps" the kid that is getting whiped by his boss. the boy, no saint, was being abused, Don Quijote tells the boss to stop beating him, as soon as Don Quijote Leaves the Boss starts beating him again... so what was the use?
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+Dec 5 2005, 10:01 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ Dec 5 2005, 10:01 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]so what was the use?
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I dunno about you, but helping others helps clear my conscience. I guess everything we do is kind of selfish, to make us feel better, yo give us peace of mind. Helping that drunk man might not have done an awful lot apart from clearing your conscience from guilt IF he was injured or killed. At least you know you have done all in your power. Then again, if you had have missed the man and not seen him, ignorance is bliss. You wouldn't have felt guilty at all. it's all about how guilt infiltrates our minds and how we make ourselves feel better. Sorry about the verbal diarrhea. [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
I'm guilt free as he wasn't injured (severly) or killed.... i did mentioned he got up again making his way down the parking lot. But once again, you're right. you're on fire little man.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+Dec 5 2005, 07:01 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ Dec 5 2005, 07:01 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I agree with you both, that's where the problem comes in. My first instinct was to help him, then I thought what Duke said, not to mention even though he was pretty drunk he could have pulled a knife on me or something. Plus, even if I helped him up that one time, what if he fell again (more than once) farther down the road? Reminded me of Don Quijote when he "helps" the kid that is getting whiped by his boss. the boy, no saint, was being abused, Don Quijote tells the boss to stop beating him, as soon as Don Quijote Leaves the Boss starts beating him again... so what was the use?
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Don Quixote references are always welcome!
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Maverick+Nov 26 2005, 03:20 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Maverick @ Nov 26 2005, 03:20 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I can usually recognise a threat from my fellow human beings pretty well, but I base my judgement on many parameters, the colour of skin being definitely NOT one of them.

Maybe you're not horrible, but simply somehow 'conditioned'.
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My thoughts precisely.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-IronDuke+Nov 26 2005, 01:27 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(IronDuke @ Nov 26 2005, 01:27 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]LC, the thing is that I didn't even think - I just acted. I didn't say to myself "Black guys!  I had better take protective action." I just did it. Only later did I think about it.

What I want to know is why this was an automatic reaction? If there was some thought process involved, I'd be able to explain it via be being a racist bastard or them looking threatening (which they really did not)
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Duke: What you posted here is what makes you a non-racist guy, if you were racist, you wouldn't be thinking about this, come to think about it.
 
LOL, just like that saying "crazy people don't know they're crazy." if you are concerned about your mental health that is a sign of mental health. If you question your motives as "racist" it is very likely you are not racist since at least you are aware and can do something about it. Take the Prusian Blue girls, they have NO CLUE that they are racist [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
Yes, ID is a horrible person!

I dono, I don't encounter black folks on daily basis. There are no black people over here. the only thing I could have against them is the fact that they invented rap and that sort of shit. Although, on the other hand, I'm very grateful to them cuz they invented rock and roll.

By the way, are there any black people on this forum? say there are brits and frechmen and gringos and people from Sweiss and even a guy from trinidad, a coupe of argentinos, mexicans, peruvians, and many more, but I doubt there might be any black people. The metal scene itself is not very appealing to blackmen (or women). I thought for a while that the metal mainstream was a little racist itself, but now im not so sure.

My personal experience leads me to belive ID is a mean white young man. I've never met a mean canadian, that what lead me to ask him if he was really a canadian, he got mad at me, oh well... But still I believe that deep, very deep inside him, he is a nice person after all. Well, LC is a much better one, and he is a canadian. hahahahaha
 
^ Rock and roll was not "invented".

It evolved from other genres of music.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Liberation+Dec 27 2005, 10:53 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Liberation @ Dec 27 2005, 10:53 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]^ Rock and roll was not "invented".

It evolved from other genres of music.
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yes, thats obvious, but I wouldnt go about explaining the whole metamorphosis from a CroMagnon in Israel in the early paleolitic who repeatedly hitted a bear skull with a rock and found the sound amusing, to the ultimate genious of music: Steve 'Arry' Harris
 
Killer, IronDuke is not:

1 - a horrible person. A truly horrible person would never have started this thread the way he did. A truly horrible person would feel no guilt at all over questionable behavior.

2 - mean, as in your phrase "mean white young man". He can joke around viciously like the rest of us, but I would never describe him as mean. (At least, no meaner than anyone else.)
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Black Ace+Nov 27 2005, 04:40 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Black Ace @ Nov 27 2005, 04:40 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]I have the kind of reaction Duke described whenever I pass by gypsies. I'm not ashamed of it, as I consider it a normal reaction, considering my history with gypsies... What I mean is, only gypsies picked on me (and this happened several times) for the way I dress, or how long my hair is, but I was never picked on by a romanian.

Again, I'm not ashamed that I cross the street everytime I see a group of gypsies coming towards or behind me. I'm not racist, it's just I prefer to "insult them" rather than to be smashed in the face for wearing longer hair than THEY can tolerate... [!--emo&:angry:--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/mad.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'mad.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
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[!--QuoteBegin-SinisterMinisterX+Dec 28 2005, 06:56 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(SinisterMinisterX @ Dec 28 2005, 06:56 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Killer, IronDuke is not:

1 - a horrible person. A truly horrible person would never have started this thread the way he did. A truly horrible person would feel no guilt at all over questionable behavior.
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Like I did... [!--emo&:(--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/sad.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'sad.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Killer+Dec 28 2005, 04:44 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Killer @ Dec 28 2005, 04:44 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]By the way, are there any black people on this forum? say there are brits and frechmen and gringos and people from Sweiss and even a guy from trinidad, a coupe of argentinos, mexicans, peruvians, and many more, but I doubt there might be any black people.
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These are nationalities. It has nothing to do with skin colors.
And I don't see how the skin color is relevant with taste in music.
 
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