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Vaenyr said:
Uh, no?

Limiting this to just the European countries:

UK
Soviet Union
France
Poland
Czechoslovakia
San Marino
Belgium
The Netherlands
Luxembourg
Norway
Finland
Hungary
Romania
Bulgaria
Yugoslavia
Greece
Denmark

And even other countries like Italy or Albania that were part of the Axis had significant resistance movements.
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Italy actually flipped in the dying days of the war after they strung up Il Duce. Finland is a complicated one as they flipped more than once but ultimately ended up on the right side.

I'm forever teasing my Swedish wife for being from a land of neutral pussies.
 
Vaenyr said:
Uh, no?

Limiting this to just the European countries:

UK
Soviet Union
France
Poland
Czechoslovakia
San Marino
Belgium
The Netherlands
Luxembourg
Norway
Finland
Hungary
Romania
Bulgaria
Yugoslavia
Greece
Denmark

And even other countries like Italy or Albania that were part of the Axis had significant resistance movements.
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Fight =battles with officially drafted soldiers, as of fight with engaging armies, between states, otherwise it's resistance at best.

From your list only Belgium and Netherlands sort of qualifying, both with very minimal output.
Czechoslovakia did not fight. Norway basically collaborated. Finland fought together with Germans against USSR. Hungary was part of Axis, as was Romania and Bulgaria. Denmark cooperated.
Regarding Luxembourg and San Marino, it really takes some imagination to include them in countries that fought the Nazis.

All in all 8 countries fought Germany, if we count the very limited output from Belgium (18 days) and Netherlands (5 days).
 
____no5 said:
Fight =battles with officially drafted soldiers, as of fight with engaging armies, between states, otherwise it's resistance at best.

From your list only Belgium and Netherlands sort of qualifying, both with very minimal output.
Czechoslovakia did not fight. Norway basically collaborated. Finland fought together with Germans against USSR. Hungary was part of Axis, as was Romania and Bulgaria. Denmark cooperated.
Regarding Luxembourg and San Marino, it really takes some imagination to include them in countries that fought the Nazis.

All in all 8 countries fought Germany, if we count the very limited output from Belgium (18 days) and Netherlands (5 days).
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This is insulting to all Greeks who died on the war.
We fucking fought, learn your history or shut the fuck up.
Even that motherfucking idiot of a man, Churchill, said that heroes fight like Greeks.
"Hence, we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks" is a famous quote attributed to Winston Churchill, praising the immense courage and fierce resistance of Greek soldiers during World War II. This sentiment highlights their unexpected, valiant defense against the Italian invasion in 1940"
 
____no5 said:
Fight =battles with officially drafted soldiers, as of fight with engaging armies, between states, otherwise it's resistance at best.

From your list only Belgium and Netherlands sort of qualifying, both with very minimal output.
Czechoslovakia did not fight. Norway basically collaborated. Finland fought together with Germans against USSR. Hungary was part of Axis, as was Romania and Bulgaria. Denmark cooperated.
Regarding Luxembourg and San Marino, it really takes some imagination to include them in countries that fought the Nazis.

All in all 8 countries fought Germany, if we count the very limited output from Belgium (18 days) and Netherlands (5 days).
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What the fuck are you talking about? The Greeks, which you should know since you are one as well, literally have only two national holidays, one of which is to celebrate their defiance against the Axis. You are objectively wrong. All of those countries fought against and resisted the Axis. Though as Spaldy correctly mentions some countries are a bit more nuanced, since they changed allegiances. Hell, quite a few Americans had a favorable view of Hitler in the beginning, but that changed over the years.

We are talking about established facts, things I know for a fact you learned in school. Stop trying to rewrite reality, this is a new low even for you.
 
Fozzie said:
And that`s insulting to the members of my Family who fought for him and belived in him. So maybe you should shut the fuck up and decide if you are British or Greek.
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I don't have anything to decide. I am Greek. I never said I am British, I just live in London.
Insulting or not, history is clear. Churchill played a pivotal role in the Greek civil war and he ordered the british army to fight alongside the right wingers who slaughtered many leftists.
 
Fozzie said:
And that`s insulting to the members of my Family who fought for him and belived in him. So maybe you should shut the fuck up and decide if you are British or Greek.
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Why is it insulting calling out Churchill of all people? He didn't attack your ancestors, he only said that Churchill was an "idiot of a man". And that's quite the understatement. He rose to meet the occasion for WWII, but how about you ask India for example how they feel about him? Or the Irish?
 
Vaenyr said:
Why is it insulting calling out Churchill of all people? He didn't attack your ancestors, he only said that Churchill was an "idiot of a man". And that's quite the understatement. He rose to meet the occasion for WWII, but how about you ask India for example how they feel about him? Or the Irish?
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The problem with Churchill is not what he did during WW2, but all the rest.

www.independent.co.uk

Not his finest hour: The dark side of Winston Churchill

Winston Churchill is rightly remembered for leading Britain through her finest hour – but what if he also led the country through her most shameful hour? What if, in addition to rousing a nation to save the world from the Nazis, he fought for a raw white supremacism and a concentration camp...
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
Yax said:
It's my turn now. Let's discuss Swedish politics and/or history in the USA thread. :D
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Not my expertise, so I'd be more interested in hearing what you have to say, rather than contributing myself :D

Truth be told, that'd be more interesting than the fact that Trump shar himself in the Oval Office and had all reporters quickly escorted out. And apparently that's not the first time this happened either... :puke:

Or we can talk about the Epstein files again, the conservatives have been eerily quiet about that.
 
I`ll take my Grandfathers opinion on Churchill over the left wing crap you guys choose to spout to fit your political agenda . But yes by all means back to USA and what i agree is a complete mess overseen by Trump .
 
Fozzie said:
I`ll take my Grandfathers opinion on Churchill over the left wing crap you guys choose to spout to fit your political agenda . But yes by all means back to USA and what i agree is a complete mess overseen by Trump .
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Both my grandfather's fought in the war and they had a pretty low opinion of Churchill. There's a reason why he lost the election the minute WW2 ended. A lot of returning soldiers wanted to see the back of him.

Yes, he was right about one crucial thing but he made a series of catastrophic military blunders.
 
Fozzie said:
I`ll take my Grandfathers opinion on Churchill over the left wing crap you guys choose to spout to fit your political agenda .
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Mate, it's history. It's got nothing to do with any agenda. Just google the role Churchill played in the Greek civil war.
 
Aggelos said:
Mate, it's history. It's got nothing to do with any agenda. Just google the role Churchill played in the Greek civil war.
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So we just ignore what he did here in the UK do we to suit you. I believe he and our armies fought off the Nazi occupation of my country ,that`s also on google.
 
Fozzie said:
So we just ignore what he did here in the UK do we to suit you. I believe he and our armies fought off the Nazi occupation of my country ,that`s also on google.
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I don't duspute his contribution to the war. But it is also a fact that he is responsible for the death of thousands of Greek left wingers, in the civil war that followed. All because he didn't like the direction Greece was going and it didn't fit HIS political agenda. There were even concerned voices in the UK, because he used the British army against an ally in the war. Facts are facts. History is history. You can choose to be blind if you want. Your problem.
 
Aggelos said:
I don't duspute his contribution to the war. But it is also a fact that he is responsible for the death of thousands of Greek left wingers, in the civil war that followed. All because he didn't like the direction Greece was going and it didn't fit HIS political agenda. There were even concerned voices in the UK, because he used the British army against an ally in the war. Facts are facts. History is history. You can choose to be blind if you want. Your problem.
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I aren`t blind , i just view his achievements in keeping my country safe in the second world war higher than his other issues and as such don`t consider him a motherfucking idiot.
Believe it or not plenty of people in the UK do too, not everyone supports the same left wing angle on everything that the political closed shop that this forum is supports.
 
Spaldy said:
Both my grandfather's fought in the war and they had a pretty low opinion of Churchill. There's a reason why he lost the election the minute WW2 ended. A lot of returning soldiers wanted to see the back of him.

Yes, he was right about one crucial thing but he made a series of catastrophic military blunders.
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Thread 'European Politics'

I can't find the old topic (must be pretty old).

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How to punish member states ?


I don't think a country can be kicked out that easily. One option might be to dismiss a country's "voting right" in the European Parliament.

This question will be actual soon, since the following news came out last week:

'Massive and Systematic Violations' of Human Rights'
By Marcel Rosenbach and John Goetz

In his second report for the Council of Europe, special investigator Dick Marty will say that he has "enough evidence to state" that the CIA operated secret prisons in Poland and...
 
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