It hasn’t even been 48 hours and we’re already here folks.
USA Politics
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Trevoire
Ancient Mariner
Most MAGAs couldn't define neocon if their lives depended on it.
MAGA is literally a cult of personality based on worshipping Trump. He managed to activate lots of people who weren't interested in politics before now.
Vance has all the charisma and character of an old couch. I really don't see him motivating the Trump cultists to come out and vote.
Flaming Blimp Crash
Ancient Mariner
If MAGA was bigger than Trump, Winsome Earle-Sears and Jack Ciattarelli wouldn't have gotten crushed by 15 and 13 points in their respective governor races. Trump only lost Earle-Sears's state by 5 points and Ciatterelli's by 6.
And we would have senator Oz, senator Herschel Walker, Governor Mastriano, Governor Mark Robinson, etc etc. MAGA candidates besides trump haven’t been able to win in swing states where trump did win.
____no5
Free Man
I didn’t explain myself well earlier. When I said that MAGA is bigger than Trump, I didn’t mean that the GOP could achieve the same results without him. What I meant is that MAGA exists beyond Trump, it stands on its own and will continue to exist after he’s gone.
I agree that it’s hard for anyone to outperform Trump in future elections, but the MAGA movement, or the “America First” vision, will likely endure long after him. And if it does, it’s only a matter of time before a new, inspiring leader emerges.
I agree that it’s hard for anyone to outperform Trump in future elections, but the MAGA movement, or the “America First” vision, will likely endure long after him. And if it does, it’s only a matter of time before a new, inspiring leader emerges.
Flaming Blimp Crash
Ancient Mariner
So what you're saying is MAGA is bigger than Trump.
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
The people and their beliefs won't vanish the moment Trump dies. That much is obviously true. Most of them will keep voting red, that's a safe bet as well. A good chunk, those who didn't keep up with politics prior to Trump, will likely become apathetic and stop keeping up with politics. Hell, they might even stop voting again.
In other words, MAGA will not disappear, but it will fracture and likely lose influence and power. Thankfully for us, there's no figure to take over once Trump dies. No one will inspire loyalty and support to the necessary degree.
In other words, MAGA will not disappear, but it will fracture and likely lose influence and power. Thankfully for us, there's no figure to take over once Trump dies. No one will inspire loyalty and support to the necessary degree.
Diesel 11
As you scream into the web of silence...
*No one that we know of yet.
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
Valid point. Let's hope it stays like this and they won't find another figure to rally around.
It’s always possible but I think it’s telling that we have had 12 years of MAGA and no leaders of the movement outside of Trump. Every time it looks like one might be emerging (DeSantis for example) they fail to resonate when given a bigger stage.
Yax
Ancient Mariner
Trumpism (which in the U.S. is synonymous with MAGA) is bigger than Trump, yes, because it transcends US borders and has spawned iterations in countless countries and wannabe autocrats cut from the same cloth are drawing ideological inspiration and using the same tactics. Trumpism has severely stained Europe. It isn't only a personality cult (and the personality cult aspect of Trumpism is worringly border transcending too).
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The Garlon
Educated Fool
Trump is just a face for these right-wing think tanks and tech companies. He's bought and paid for. Definitely a chance they'll retain the power Trump has gained for them even after he's gone.
____no5
Free Man
Yes exactly, clarifying that it's not about generating bigger numbers, as people suggested to prove it's not. Also what Yax said, which makes it quite huge though I meant it for US only.
MAGA didn't appear out of thin air. There was a huge disappointment among those grass roots "deplorables" being governed for decades by essentially the same party which Steve Bannon formed in an ideology and Trump just rode the wave.
Trump has great instincts and probably some good intentions regarding world peace but he is too weak and unfocused to follow. The result is another neocon government. In my book, his contribution to the world is completed. The best thing he can do is retire and hand over to Vance.
All in all, I'm happy for MAGA and I will be super thrilled to see a popular movement emerging from the left. Popular is the key.