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Ancient Mariner
Have your argument started to get heated in a Maiden thread somewhere that is at least somewhat off-topic? Is it getting in the way of the thread, but is nonetheless a matter that you think is worthy of discussing? Do you have a case that doesn't warrant its own thread in the General section? Fear not.

Consider moving it here. Argue away for all I care, but please try and keep the other threads clean. No, I'm not a mod, I don't decide anything, but I have been here for 20 years and I just want to have a nice experience chatting about Maiden and whatever.
 
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@jazz from hell Man, this is getting boring, but apparently we need to do this:
1) Your claim about her following politicians was shown to be irrelevant.
No, it wasn't. One person who took an issue with people being critical of right wing beliefs did the whole "just because she follows them doesn't mean she endorses them" spiel, which is utter nonsense. No, people don't follow politicians on social media they don't agree with, at least to some degree. She doesn't follow any leftist figures. She follows far right politicians and as I have told you multiple times, but you keep conveniently ignoring that: She has posted stuff that falls in line with what these far right figures say time and time again. That's not up for debate. That's a fact. So not only was it not "shown to be irrelevant", you are objectively incorrect on this.

2) The Instagram picture you chose to highlight meant exactly the opposite of what you claimed.
Once again objectively incorrect. First of all, this discussion started prior to the image I posted. Secondly, even with the adjusted context, the image clearly shows her Zionist and conservative beliefs. Some people might be happy with that, I am not. I am free to mention that, call her out on her public posts. That is not misogyny. Glad I could clear that up for you though!

These were, by your own choice, the best proof you had.
Uh, no? What kind of pathetic strawman is that? lol
Not once did I claim that this is the "best proof". This was simply one example of her public posts. She has a history of questionable content.

Since your strongest points fell apart when examined, the vague "history of xenophobic and shitty posts" you've been talking about must be even weaker.
Whatever helps you feel better, I guess. You are blindly defending someone without the necessary knowledge. Instead of dismissing out of ignorance you should take a minute to look up some stuff.

Your insistence on a "shitty worldview," even after your "evidence" was disproven, along with your harsh way of dealing with people who show you the facts, suggests that the accusation of misogyny might be more accurate than you are conscious of.
Once again strawmen and a wild mischaracterization. The evidence wasn't disproven. I have told you repeatedly that she has a history of beliefs I personally find to be shitty and it is my right to say that. It's that simple. I've also explicitly told you that I have defended her from attacks on her appearance, because those felt needlessly misogynystic. I've also explained to you that I would say the same exact things I've said about her, about anyone else with those views. Just look up what I've had to say about Jon Schaffer on the forum. Learn to fucking read, instead of parroting bullshit.

It seems you're not interested in facts. Instead, you just want to stick to a story you've already decided is true about someone you clearly don't like. In fact, your own behavior throughout this discussion is the clearest proof of the "shitty worldview" you're so quick to accuse others of having.
Everything I've written is based on actual evidence we've seen with our own eyes. You are the one blindly defending her. The one thing that was posted with different context was acknowledged, yet even then her post showed beliefs I still disagree with.

Again: This thread is called “Iron Maiden News, links and interviews.” You, however, keep spreading inflammatory slander about their singer’s wife.
Nothing I wrote falls under slander or is inflammatory. We are accurately describing her public posts. Also, you once again ignored that I didn't start that conversation, I wasn't the one to post the first image of her postings.

Once again, not only have you been objectively wrong on this, multiple times, you keep insisting the same bullshit after being explicitly told how none that was said falls under the umbrella of misogyny. That is inflammatory and slanderous. I will keep calling out your fallacies and lies, so might as well call it a day and let us both stop wasting our time here ;)
 
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@jazz from hell Man, this is getting boring, but apparently we need to do this:

No, it wasn't. One person who took an issue with people being critical of right wing beliefs did the whole "just because she follows them doesn't mean she endorses them" spiel, which is utter nonsense. No, people don't follow politicians on social media they don't agree with, at least to some degree. She doesn't follow any leftist figures. She follows far right politicians and as I have told you multiple times, but you keep conveniently ignoring that: She has posted stuff that falls in line with what these far right figures say time and time again. That's not up for debate. That's a fact. So not only was it not "shown to be irrelevant", you are objectively incorrect on this.


Once again objectively incorrect. First of all, this discussion started prior to the image I posted. Secondly, even with the adjusted context, the image clearly shows her Zionist and conservative beliefs. Some people might be happy with that, I am not. I am free to mention that, call her out on her public posts. That is not misogyny. Glad I could clear that up for you though!


Uh, no? What kind of pathetic strawman is that? lol
Not once did I claim that this is the "best proof". This was simply one example of her public posts. She has a history of questionable content.


Whatever helps you feel better, I guess. You are blindly defending someone without the necessary knowledge. Instead of dismissing out of ignorance you should take a minute to look up some stuff.


Once again strawmen and a wild mischaracterization. The evidence wasn't disproven. I have told you repeatedly that she has a history of beliefs I personally find to be shitty and it is my right to say that. It's that simple. I've also explicitly told you that I have defended her from attacks on her appearance, because those felt needlessly misogynystic. I've also explained to you that I would say the same exact things I've said about her, about anyone else with those views. Just look up what I've had to say about Jon Schaffer on the forum. Learn to fucking read, instead of parroting bullshit.


Everything I've written is based on actual evidence we've seen with our own eyes. You are the one blindly defending her. The one thing that was posted with different context was acknowledged, yet even then her post showed beliefs I still disagree with.


Nothing I wrote falls under slander or is inflammatory. We are accurately describing her public posts. Also, you once again ignored that I didn't start that conversation, I wasn't the one to post the first image of her postings.

Once again, not only have you been objectively wrong on this, multiple times, you keep insisting the same bullshit after being explicitly told how none that was said falls under the umbrella of misogyny. That is inflammatory and slanderous. I will keep calling out your fallacies and lies, so might as well call it a day and let us both stop wasting our time here ;)

to me it sounds more like someone who shares at least part of her views trying desperately to defend them, without themselves appearing as endorsing them, hence the need to categorize it under the misogyny label.
 
to me it sounds more like someone who shares at least part of her views trying desperately to defend them, without themselves appearing as endorsing them, hence the need to categorize it under the misogyny label.
Absolutely, this is a proxy argument. Not once has jazz explained how on earth anything written criticizes Leana on the basis of being a woman.

On the other hand it seems we need to talk about the genocide happening in Gaza, because it is very likely that jazz agrees with Leana's Zionist beliefs.

And before I get labeled an anti-semite: I want all people to live in peace and dignity. Both Israelis and Palestinians. My issue is with Israel's government, their blatantly illegal actions, war crimes, and a genocide enacted in broad daylight. My message is "stop killing innocent civilians", but apparently for some this is a controversial take.

There are plenty of human rights groups as well as groups of Isrealis and Jews who are clearly against the actions of Netenyahu. I'd rather align with them, than with people who actively support a genocide (as recognized by international law).
 
nah, there was a thread called The Last Word and I eventually decided to get the Ultimate Last Word by merging it into the 100k thread.

What Onhell has never realized is that he can open a new thread any time, thus taking back The Last Word.
 
nah, there was a thread called The Last Word and I eventually decided to get the Ultimate Last Word by merging it into the 100k thread.

What Onhell has never realized is that he can open a new thread any time, thus taking back The Last Word.
The thought crossed my mind, but I realized it was useless as the corrupt council of elders would simply say, "Get off my lawn!" And merge it with theb100k again. System always wins kids, don't let them tell you otherwise
 
The thought crossed my mind, but I realized it was useless as the corrupt council of elders would simply say, "Get off my lawn!" And merge it with theb100k again. System always wins kids, don't let them tell you otherwise

Dude, you've been on this board for 22 years. If anyone here has the right to yell at the fucking youngsters to get off their lawn, it's you!
 
Yeah to be honest, I just thought you'd open a new one and it'd be a one time joke, not that you'd get butthurt about it.
 
Dude, you've been on this board for 22 years. If anyone here has the right to yell at the fucking youngsters to get off their lawn, it's you!
I do yell at kids to get off my lawn lol. It used to be because they'd get my dogs worked up, but now it also bothers my mom.
 
Yeah to be honest, I just thought you'd open a new one and it'd be a one time joke, not that you'd get butthurt about it.
I was very butthurt back then. Now it just made for a nice random argument that took us old folks down memory lane. But yeah, system always wins, no Epstein list, no last word thread. POOF, these aren't the droids you're looking for lol
 
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