What Do You Think Maiden Could Do Better Next Album/tour

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in a rundown whorehouse:[/quote]

If the images in the DOD booklet represent your idea of a run-down brothel, what does a fine one look like to you? style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/huh.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":huh:\" border=\"0\" alt=\"huh.gif\" /]
This, perhaps?

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If the images in the DOD booklet represent your idea of a run-down brothel, what does a fine one look like to you? ::
This, perhaps?
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That place would be great for a photo shoot... Janick would be dancing on the roof and Bruce would do the "timeless" gag of pretending to piss out of the fountain (as seen in Austin Powers) [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/wink.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\";)\" border=\"0\" alt=\"wink.gif\" /]
 
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I remain perplexed by those mad people who refer to 'Fillerslave'. Losfer Words is brilliant! [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":D\" border=\"0\" alt=\"biggrin.gif\" /]

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All this talk of lyrical discord. My suggestion for the new album would be a new instumental, it's been far too long since we've had that priveledge.
 
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All this talk of lyrical discord. My suggestion for the new album would be a new instumental, it's been far too long since we've had that priveledge.
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An instrumental would be a nice idea, but it is not strictly necessary. If you look at BNW, for example, the instrumental sections of "The Nomad" and "The Thin Line Between Love And Hate" are in fact longer than any of the instrumentals Maiden have ever done. On the other hand, these instrumental sections would probably not work as stand-alone songs. They are not dramatic enough on their own, and most of the effect they have comes from the previous build up.
 
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An instrumental would be a nice idea, but it is not strictly necessary. If you look at BNW, for example, the instrumental sections of "The Nomad" and "The Thin Line Between Love And Hate" are in fact longer than any of the instrumentals Maiden have ever done. On the other hand, these instrumental sections would probably not work as stand-alone songs. They are not dramatic enough on their own, and most of the effect they have comes from the previous build up.
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Now that you've brought that up, I was wondering what the longest instrumental section in a Maiden song is. I've heard it said that it's that bit in the middle of Sign of the Cross, but I'm not sure. Still, Maiden's instrumentals and instrumental sections are incredible-and integral parts of epics. Perhaps that's why they dropped the instrumental shortly after the introduction of Bruce-they lengthened their songs and added more instrumental variety. Which is why we're definitely going to have an epic on this album, and judging by the quality of Harris penned epics in the past (some of my favourite Maiden compositions), it'll be good. Here's hoping for another Harris/Smith joint work, a la Paschendale-now THAT was a song and a bloody half.
 
Paschendale is indeed an instant classic. One of the few that get not only better but a lot better with each listen. I'd still like to see a stand alone instumental again, maybe it's just me but the quality of the existing ones just seems better that long sections within epics. I'd have to check but ROTAM comes to mind as the longest instumental to this point (makes sense) .... Probably a stupid question but I honestly don't know; it was brought up earlier about Derek Riggs never working with Maiden again, what brought all of this about? I find all non-Riggs covers heinous personally. Absolutely heinous!
 
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Now that you've brought that up, I was wondering what the longest instrumental section in a Maiden song is. [/quote]

I've never timed these things, but the instrumental section on SSOASS is pretty long -- over 5 minutes I think. That might be the longest.
 
Riggs was pissed that Rod & co mangled his BNW cover to create what came out on the album. Of course, the cover/title was changed at the last minute, and Riggsy had done a cover for an album to be called "The Wicker Man", so obviously it didn't fit anymore...but yeah. No more Riggs.
 
Thanks for the info, in my business I can't keep as up to date as I used to. Had there been an issue before (after NPFTD for the FOTD, X Factor, and Virtual XI covers)?
 
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I've never timed these things, but the instrumental section on SSOASS is pretty long -- over 5 minutes I think. That might be the longest.
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Rime of the Ancient Mariner, To Tame a Land, Alexander The Great, The Duellists, The Nomad, The Phantom of the Opera, Mother Russia, and Powerslave are also long.

Anyone wants to play all these songs tonight and clock these sections with a stopwatch? [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":p\" border=\"0\" alt=\"tongue.gif\" /]
 
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Rime of the Ancient Mariner, To Tame a Land, Alexander The Great, The Duellists, The Nomad, The Phantom of the Opera, Mother Russia, and Powerslave are also long.

Anyone wants to play all these songs tonight and clock these sections with a stopwatch? [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":p\" border=\"0\" alt=\"tongue.gif\" /]
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I did it (for the obvious candidates anyway) [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":p\" border=\"0\" alt=\"tongue.gif\" /]
[!--QuoteBegin-Conor the coolest Maidenfan ever+--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Conor the coolest Maidenfan ever)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Phantom of The Opera: 2:41 - 6:35 (236 seconds)
Transylvania: 0:00 - 4:19 (259 seconds)
Hallowed Be Thy Name: 3:47 - 6:25 (138 seconds)
Losfer Words (Big 'Orra): 0:00 - 4:12 (252 seconds)
Rime of the Ancient Mariner: 8:51 - 11:10 (139 seconds)
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son: 5:21 - 9:53 (272 seconds)
Sign of the Cross: 4:42 - 10:10 (328 seconds)[/quote]
Well I guess SotC has the longest instrumental section after all. what a waste of time [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/cool.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\"B)\" border=\"0\" alt=\"cool.gif\" /]
 
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Thanks for the info, in my business I can't keep as up to date as I used to. Had there been an issue before (after NPFTD for the FOTD, X Factor, and Virtual XI covers)?
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Riggs did a few paintings during the nineties, but they all got tucked away somehow. "Best Of The Beast" is the only one that can be found with ease, but I must honestly say that is nowhere near Riggsy's standards of old.
He also did a painting for "Virus", but that was only used for the LP single. Another painting for the "Futureal" single was even only included with the single as a poster. It seems obvious to me that after FOTD, the band did not want to use any Riggs paintings anymore because of the new general direction they wanted to take (in which case the return of Riggs in the BNW context also makes sense), but why ask him at all? BOTB and the corresponding "Virus" single, OK- but "Futureal"? I'm sure they'd have used Ed Hunter screenshots anyway, so why this waste of Derek's marvelous painting?

Having said that, there are also some sub-par Riggs paintings. I already mentioned BOTB. I think it looks too uninspired, and basically Riggs seemed to have tried to repaint images he had been bored of. Another bad one is the one used for The BBC Archives. On that one, Eddie looks like he's being viewed through a funny mirror after he's had an exceptionally bad night down at the pub. As for the RLO cover- what did Eddie ever do that his father spanked him so hard? And the HBTN single... ugh! Riggsy must have had a really hard time back then.

I hope that if they can't get Riggs, they will at least move to Melvyn Grant. His paintings -with the notable exception of Fear Of The Dark- are nowhere near Rigg's work (in fact, I think VXI is one of the ugliest Maiden covers, and DOTR really does not look distinctive enough for Maiden- rather like Iced Earth or any Power Metal band), but they are still good compared to the CGI stuff Maiden used recently. Although I do like the "Wildest Dreams" Eddie... but whatever.
 
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I did it (for the obvious candidates anyway) [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\":p\" border=\"0\" alt=\"tongue.gif\" /]

Well I guess SotC has the longest instrumental section after all. what a waste of time [img src=\"style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/cool.gif\" style=\"vertical-align:middle\" emoid=\"B)\" border=\"0\" alt=\"cool.gif\" /]
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Did you measure ROTM well? There is a speech, but the whole part could still be seen as an instrumental part in my opinion. The speech is on a tape, and during the speech, the band only makes music and all the viewers of the LAD-video know that Bruce is off-stage for ages.
Maiden was very early with this, but nowadays often tapes and minidiscs are used: as instruments.

And why was Mother Russia not measured? Maybe it has a longer instrumental part than e.g. Hallowed Be Thy Name(?).
 
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