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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Forostar, Jul 10, 2013.

  1. Freeyyaa

    Freeyyaa mordebo et stringebo

    What does it mean? I speak neither Arabic, nor Farsi.
     
  2. The Flash

    The Flash Dennis Wilcock did 9/11

    I don't either but my gut instinct* tells me that it means Yes.

    Google Translate
     
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  3. Mr. Breeg

    Mr. Breeg When Eternity Fails

    Any language that ISN'T English is just the babbling of The Devil!!"

    (LOL...don't take me TOO seriously!! I'm a "metal head!")
     
  4. Perun

    Perun Climbing like a monkey Staff Member

    @Saapanael is it true that Estonian has 14 cases? Why do your people hate life so much?
     
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  5. Srogyy

    Srogyy Ancient Mariner

    Finnish has even more, as far as I remember... And I thought Latin cases were impossible when I had to learn it...
     
  6. Zare

    Zare Dream of broken citadels

    14 nutcases.
     
  7. Saapanael

    Saapanael "My hair sets the trend of tmrw by doing it today"

    It is true, and because I am very proud of that, I'll present to you a word in every case and a sentence where that case of the word would be used.

    1) ämblik - It's a spider
    2) ämbliku - This is a spider's web
    3) ämblikku - I love my spider
    4) ämblikku/ämblikusse - I don't know what has gone into my spider
    5) ämblikus - what's going on inside a spider?
    6) ämblikust - the web came out of the spider
    7) ämblikule - I gave something to my spider
    8) ämblikul - the spider has eight eyes
    9) ämblikult - I received good luck from a spider
    10) ämblikuks - one day I will become a spider!
    11) ämblikuni - I went up to the spider
    12) ämblikuna - I would be great as a spider
    13) ämblikuta - I can't imagine life without my spider
    14) ämblikuga - life is great with a spider!
     
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  8. The Flash

    The Flash Dennis Wilcock did 9/11

    If I ever have to learn Estonian, someone call an ämblince for me.

    No? Okay..
     
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  9. Saapanael

    Saapanael "My hair sets the trend of tmrw by doing it today"

    It's an awfully cute-sounding word for such an eerie being.
     
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  10. Perun

    Perun Climbing like a monkey Staff Member

    And none of those cases is vocative. Creepy...
     
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  11. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    O man, this comes across as exaggerated to me. Where's the limit?

    E.g. why not add more cases for:

    I went down to the spider
    I slammed on the spider
    The acid went through the spider
    The fly was under the spider
    The fly was behind the spider
    The fly jumped next to the spider
    The fly sneezed 11.234 times during the spider's lifetime.
     
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2016
  12. Ariana

    Ariana Purple leopard

    Only logged in to like this. Respect, oh master of impossible grammar! :notworthy:
     
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  13. Perun

    Perun Climbing like a monkey Staff Member

    Well, a case does not equal a preposition. The problem is that it is very difficult to translate cases into languages like English, which have lost all of the cases, and prepositions are used to mark these cases in the translation. It's pretty logical in case-based languages, but the Finno-Ugric family is very happy to use them. For my taste, eight cases are enough: Nominative, accusative, genitive, dative, instrumental, vocative, durative and locative. Ablative can go suck it, though.
     
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  14. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    Well, looking at my mother tongue, one case is more than enough. ;)

    By the way, I just read that there's a lot of Dutch words in Estonian. During the 16th and 17th century, Dutch was the language of the Eastern European wood and grain trade (the Dutch owned the trade). E.g. klooster, kaart, kroon, kraan. Exactly the same spelling.
    Other words differ in spelling but are still very recognizable: hoov (hof), triikima (strijken), pott (pot) en pann (pan)
     
  15. Saapanael

    Saapanael "My hair sets the trend of tmrw by doing it today"

    Yup, the words you mentioned are all real.
     
  16. Saapanael

    Saapanael "My hair sets the trend of tmrw by doing it today"

    Perun already explained it better than I could but it can definitely be hard to imagine some cases being used and others not. To a native speaker, it seems natural. In some sentences you brought out, one of the 14 cases might be used (for example "next to" in your context can be done with the 7th case) and some others may need to utilize an extra word, an uninflected one (is that the right term?). These words are not affected by cases.
     
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  17. bearfan

    bearfan Ancient Mariner

    Somewhat interesting, speaking of cases.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grammatical_cases

    Growing up speaking English, learning cases in German was a difficult concept. We have them in English, but really do not use them. My instructor had us read old English texts which helped make it make more sense. But cases, gender, etc is difficult to grasp when you do not have to deal with them in everyday life.
     
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  18. Black Wizard

    Black Wizard Out of the Silent Planet

  19. Freeyyaa

    Freeyyaa mordebo et stringebo

    Back to Old English, back to Old English--and you will have gender and cases.
     
  20. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

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