Thoughts on the Beatles

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Now I know I may get flamed for this, but I personally feel that the Beatles are quite overrated.  I find it hard to explain, and I acknowledge and respect the influence that they had on music,  but when people say that the Beatles are the "greatest Rock band of all time", I feel that it is a little overboard.
 
It's only an opinion, so if you do get flamed, it may be a tad harsh.

Personally, I don't care for the Beatles at all.
 
They were good enough I suppose.  Good pop music, no more, no less.  I would definitely not call them the greatest rock group of all time but I would say that they have had a lot of influence in pop culture and music.
 
I find their earlier stuff tedious and commercial.  Their later material (the more psychadelic stuff) is much better.  I used to like them quite a bit, but that was years ago.  I wouldn't call them the best rock band of all time, but they have had an enormous impact on music.
 
I think songs like Helter Skelter and Come Together have influenced hard rock, which in turn influenced 80s "cock rock".
 
I love the Beatles. And, in my opinion, they are certainly contenders for the greatest mainstream rock band of all time (along with the Stones, Led Zep and The Who).

Hmmm ... thinking about it a little more, I'd rank those four bands as follows:
1. Led Zeppelin
2. Rolling Stones
3. Beatles
4. The Who

For those who think the Beatles sound tedious or bland, consider this: in the 1960s, they were creating music like no one had created before. The reason their music sounds less innovative today is because thousands of bands have been influenced by (or outright copied) the Beatles. If you can strip away all the Beatles-influenced rock you've heard and listen to their music with fresh ears, the way a person in the 1960s would have, you may hear them in a different light.
 
I definately think they are the greatest rock band EVER. To me the Beatles are the Jesus of Rock music. You can seperate music before and after the Beatles. Like SMX already pointed out, listen to ANY 1950's and early 60's rock music, THEN listen to even the popiest crap the Beatles put out and you'll get it. You might still not like them or think they are the greatest, but at least you'll UNDERSTAND why many people do think of them that way.
 
very interesting thread

well, they are very simply the greatest band ever, with 14 Lps in 8 years (with none of them to can be called a bad album), pioneers to almost every experiment in music of 60s (note that because of their experiments the 8-channel console came earlier in UK, which made the life of productors easier, and helped the UK groups in the direction of experimentation)

also, is the reason of the expansion of the UK music to US with the known reasults to everyone (Stones, Led Zep, ect)

when I was 20 I didn't give a shit about them......But with the time as I started to like all kinds of music, and mostly as I started to learn the history of modern music I understood why the beatles, why always they

I don't consider them a rock band though, but what does it change ?

I don't like to explain myself too much so I'll give you just 4 examples :

1) strawberry fields forever : the first song ever with what we call today "a beat"
2) helter shelter : one of the first (if not the first) heavy metal songs
3) I'm only sleeping : one of the first songs (if not the first) with backward recording (george harrison did played his solo backwards and after he reversed the recording)
4) norwegian wood : the first western song ever to have an indian instrument

I could write for hours about them, but don't search too much, they are the best if you like it or if not, if it wasn't them some other band would have made all this giant steps, but .....the history has been written as it is

.... you know beatles is like the wine : it waits for you to get mature ;)
 
It's good to see such educated responses from people.  I don't hate the Beatles, they are a band that, if they are on the radio, I won't change the station.  I wouldn't personally pop a Beatles CD into my stereo.  I think that George Harrison was a very underrated guitar player,  and it is unfortunate that he didn't get as much recognition as John Lennon or Paul McCartney.  SMX, your last post was very well stated, I tip my hat to you sir.
 
____no5 said:
1) strawberry fields forever : the first song ever with what we call today "a beat"

I don't understand what you mean here, no5. Music has had a beat for hundreds of years, at least as far I understand the meaning of the word "beat". So it appears you mean some special application of that word. Could you please explain more clearly what you mean? Since your other comments were correct, I assume you're saying something correct here, but there's a language problem. :D
 
I don't mean to argue to point here, but I am led to believe that early Beatles was just picking up from where Buddy Holly left. The more psychedelic stuff that came later, well, a lot of English acts seemed to be doing that back then. And finally, the use of Helter Skelter to state that this is the point at which metal began, The Kinks surely were the originators of the HM riff - where they not?

Whilst I fully appreciate the influence they have had - even to this day - I never got into them and saw/heard no reason to either.
 
It's very true that many bands were influenced by the beatles, but there are some songs that even though have been imitated, they will always sound fresh and new for me.  For example Eleanor Rigby, I just love the song.

The beatles are the greatest rock band ever, because they are the pioneers of rock.
 
I agree. I feel that the beatles are atleast contenders for the greatest rock band ever. The sheer diversity of styles they covered was amazing . From the Hard Rock/Heavy Metal in 'Helter Skelter' to Pyschedelic music as in 'Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds' etc. They may not have invented these styles but I feel they were the among the first to popularise these genres.

p.s   On a side note Paul Mcartney recorded 'helter skelter' after reading a review that The Who's 'I Can See For Miles' was the 'heaviest' song ever recorded. He wanted to better that and so he recorded Helter Skelter.
 
SinisterMinisterX said:
I don't understand what you mean here, no5. Music has had a beat for hundreds of years, at least as far I understand the meaning of the word "beat". So it appears you mean some special application of that word. Could you please explain more clearly what you mean? Since your other comments were correct, I assume you're saying something correct here, but there's a language problem. :D

firstly, you need to hear the original recording....the appearence of the beat comes to the last instrumental part. Now, what is the beat : In dance music there is a term that is called "bpm" (beats per minute) Take the trance music, or the house music for example....you can hear something like a heart beat all the time and around this some electro sounds.....Now listen again the last instrumental part of "strawberry fields" :)

supersonic said:
I agree. I feel that the beatles are atleast contenders for the greatest rock band ever. The sheer diversity of styles they covered was amazing . From the Hard Rock/Heavy Metal in 'Helter Skelter' to Pyschedelic music as in 'Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds' etc. They may not have invented these styles but I feel they were the among the first to popularise these genres.

exactly !! take for example the concept albums...the first concept album was recorded by Johnny Cash (I think), the first rock opera by Who (Tommy)...But it was the beatles that popularise the "gerne" by the whole non-stop ambiance in str. peppers album (which was not really a concept album ; the songs were what str peppers had told the band to play)....6 years after Cash, and 2 years before the who.....and why ? very simply because they were the beatles and whatever they did it had very big importance /influence for then music things

supersonic said:
p.s  On a side note Paul Mcartney recorded 'helter skelter' after reading a review that The Who's 'I Can See For Miles' was the 'heaviest' song ever recorded. He wanted to better that and so he recorded Helter Skelter.

excellent ! I knew that story but I didn't remember the title of the who song ! thanks with a praise
 
____no5 said:
firstly, you need to hear the original recording....the appearence of the beat comes to the last instrumental part. Now, what is the beat : In dance music there is a term that is called "bpm" (beats per minute) Take the trance music, or the house music for example....you can hear something like a heart beat all the time and around this some electro sounds.....Now listen again the last instrumental part of "strawberry fields" :)

Ah, I see what you mean now. I don't mean to sound rude, no5, but your interpretation of the word "beat" is excessively narrow. The concept of beats per minute has been around for centuries. A beat is simply the unit of tempo in music, and can be indicated in virtually limitless forms. Yes, the form you are mentioning may have originated with the Beatles, but not the usage of a beat in music. It's like saying that because a melody can be played on an electric guitar, then the inventor of the electric guitar must have also invented melody. Obviously, that is wrong.

Again, let me emphasize this so that you don't misunderstand me:
Your observation about "Strawberry Fields Forever" was correct, but the language you used to describe it was wildly incorrect. Are you a native English speaker? Your error seems to me like the type of mistake that would be made in translation.
 
Sorry for bumping this thread. I've been meaning to post this for quite a while now.

I can see why many people think The Beatles are overrated. Time has not been very kind to much of their music, and it is pretty hard to understand from our contemporary point of view how this actually pretty tame band could cause such a landslide.
I don't mean to sound arrogant, but I really have to say that people who think that do not understand what the Beatles were actually about.
When I was about eight years old, I heard my very first Beatles song. Before that, I had occasionally heard the odd rock song, but never really listened, and was not interested in music at all. One Sunday morning, I was for some reason in the living room while my brother was working on a video for a presentation he did in school. His topic was 'The Beatles', and he had rented pretty much all the Beatles films from the library and was editing them together on a blank video tape using to VCRs (a technical feat he was very proud of, given he was only 11 or 12 at that time). When I was in the living room, my brother just started playig 'All My Loving', and I stood there like a statue, staring at the television screen and absorbing every single note played. It was the first time I ever consciously listened to a piece of music that was not the 'Children's Classics' compilation or 'My Favourite Children Songs' or something like that. This was SERIOUS music. From that point on, I became a music freak, and I remember nights spent in the living room listening to my parents' Beatles and Simon&Garfunkel CDs with earphones on while my parents were watching TV. I was really listening, it was not background noise or anything for me. I listened to every guitar chord, every syllable sung, every beat of the drum. I bought some Beatles tapes for ridiculous money (my allowance at that time was about 1-2 CAN$, i.e. 50 Cents to one Euro) and listened to them over and over again. As a matter of fact, I liked it so much I wasn't even sure if I was allowed to listen to it, so I often did it in my bed, covered with my blanket.
As some of you might have noticed, I am currently in my digressive storyteller mood, so I'll tell you how it continued.
As time went by, my brother got me into Michael Jackson. Again, I spent even more money on those Michael Jackson tapes and listened to them over and over, and again, I was more absorbing than listening. However, by that time, I noticed those that really mostly interested in songs like 'Beat It' or 'Dirty Diana', i.e. the heavy-ish stuff. I had no clue what a distorted guitar was, so I kept wondering where those dark and mysterious sounds came from. These songs had something which became increasingly important to me as I broadened my musical horizon: A touch of evil.
The world turned, and I almost secretly entertained my passion for those 'evil' songs, and my brother got me into Queen. Here again, it was mostly the heavy songs that interested me. One fateful Christmas, my parents gave me Queen's 'Greatest Hits II', and two days later I got 'Greatest Hits I' from the money I got from an obscure family member. Those two CDs -they were now actually CDs, not tapes anymore- almost immediately pushed away all the other stuff I was listening to, and for about a year, they were pretty much the only thing I ever listened to. But again, it was mostly the heavier stuff that attracted me, like 'I Want It All', 'Hammer To Fall' or 'Innuendo'. As a matter of fact, my favourite moment on those CDs was Brian May's guitar solo on 'Innuendo'. The second part right after he echoed the Spanish guitar part. Had I been listening to Pop and Flower Power stuff before, I was now completely in the world of Queen.
But things became even worse. My brother had gotten Martin C. Strong's 'Great Rock Discography' for a Christmas, and kept getting all those 'important' songs and albums from the famous bands in that book. Now, the bands were called Deep Purple, Uriah Heep and Black Sabbath, and the songs were called 'Smoke On The Water', 'Easy Livin'' and 'Paranoid', and of course, he had to spoil his younger brother's soul by playing that stuff to him. I loved every second of those songs. My parents did notice my passion for hard rock music, and although they later disapproved (though now accept) the musical taste I was developing, they were guilty of starting it all: They gave me my first Deep Purple and AC/DC CDs.
At about the same time, the world of Heavy Metal opened to me by the most spectacular case of backfiring I ever witnessed. I know that I might have told this story once too often for some people's taste, but it belongs here. We were discussing Satanism in my religion class, and during one lesson, my religion teacher announced he was going to play us some Satanist music for us to get an idea what it is like. He handed out a sheet with translated lyrics from the song he was going to play. The translation read 'Die Zahl Des Tieres'. He turned on the tape recorder, and the first thing I heard was "Woe to you, oh Earth and sea...". My life would never be the same again. When I heard this song, I knew this was the music I had been longing for all those years. I kept my love for my recent discoveries Pink Floyd, The Doors and Led Zeppelin, but this had the one thing I mentioned earlier: The touch of evil. It was dark, it was mysterious, and it was officially evil. I was not supposed to listen to it, and that was what attracted me to it.
We were already in the digital age, and my brother had advanced into the heavier directions. One day, he came to me and said "I just downloaded something from Napster- Iron Maiden, The Number Of The Beast." He was surprised when I grinned broadly and asked him to give the stuff to me immediately. This one time, he had been a bit too slow.
My mother was beginning to think there was something seriously wrong with my taste for music, and one day, I played 'The Wicker Man' a tad too loud while she was ironing next door. She screamed at me and commanded me to turn down that noise immediately. Here again, it was forbidden music, and that only made me love it even more. 'The Number Of The Beast' and 'Brave New World' -then the freshest, hottest thing on the planet- rotated in my disc man in every spare second. I expanded my CD and record collection to include real heavyweights, like Rainbow, and even more Black Sabbath, Uriah Heep and Deep Purple. One day, my father came back from a business trip to Florida, and gave me a CD. He said he thought he should bring me something from America, and when he saw that band name, he thought it pretty much spelled out my name. The band was Judas Priest. I already owned 'Sad Wings Of Destiny' and 'Stained Class' at that time.
Time went by and by, and I got even more used LPs and new CDs from my favourites, discovering new bands and artists all the time. My brother already entirely lost control over my musical taste, and every time he looks at my CD shelf, he discovers something new, which he never heard of before and almost immediately disapproves of. Of course, the fascination I experienced when I heard that music for the first time is long gone, and I am no longer an adolescent, but I still listen to and love this music, although by now, it is really the musical value that attracts me. It is not 'forbidden' or 'evil' music anymore, it is just plain good.
 
Icarus said:
Now I know I may get flamed for this, but I personally feel that the Beatles are quite overrated.  I find it hard to explain, and I acknowledge and respect the influence that they had on music,  but when people say that the Beatles are the "greatest Rock band of all time", I feel that it is a little overboard.
You're right, the greatest rock band is Led Zeppelin. :innocent:
However, if you take history into account you must admit these guys had many many ideas far before anybody else. They undoubtly deserve one crown or another.
 
Perun said:
I can see why many people think The Beatles are overrated. Time has not been very kind to much of their music, and it is pretty hard to understand from our contemporary point of view how this actually pretty tame band could cause such a landslide.

time has been very kind Perun !! 35 years later, they sell at least 2-3 million albums for every best of ...
I was thinking exactly the same thing as you when I was young, but the reason was that I was too much in my metal world

the fact that you don't see something for x reasons doesn't mean that it doesn't exist

people think that Beatles are overratted just because the don't know the history of music (some of them they will never find)
 
Perun said:
We were discussing Satanism in my religion class, and during one lesson, my religion teacher announced he was going to play us some Satanist music for us to get an idea what it is like. He handed out a sheet with translated lyrics from the song he was going to play. The translation read 'Die Zahl Des Tieres'. He turned on the tape recorder, and the first thing I heard was "Woe to you, oh Earth and sea...". My life would never be the same again.

Perun, why can I see a boy sitting at the back of class all of a sudden starting to head bang when the guitars set in at the beginning of this oh so famous song?  :P

The only experience I have of the Beatles is from listening to their greatest hits when sitting in the back of the car on a road trip to Sweden. My mom likes the Beatles (as far as she likes anything non-classical), so I got to hear quite a bit of them when I was a young kid. Haven't listened to them in ages, but since my mothers taste in popular music isn't too far from my own (minus the heavy metal of course, she considers it 'evil' as you say Perun) the Beatles aren't bad. I don't know about greatest rock band ever, but I would certainly say that they are one of the most influential. And compared to all the garbage nowadays that calls itself 'rock' I think the Beatles can never be too overrated.
 
blaaah, Beatles through a less than a deacade transformedfrom sweet boy band to psycahdelic monster and that's all. Not a big deal. A few good, chatchy songs, a lots of fuss for nothing and that's it.
 
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