The War against Drugs.

Metal Made

Metal Made

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Since I'm mexican, is perfectly obvious to me how my president's administration is loosing the so called "War against Drugs". Everyday hundreds of people get murdered (these people include, civilians, drug lords, policemen, governors, and even some students and children). The interesting part happened when a study showed that the war against drugs has actually killed more people than the actual people who die because of drug usage.

Back in the year 2000, PRI, the party which had the power for the last 70 years before that year lost the election to PAN, the new party who has been in charge since PRI left. Ever since 2006 (when president Felipe Calderón took the office) things have really gotten out of hand. What's so wrong about legalizing? I've never done drugs in my life, but who the hell does the government think they are to say what people can and can't do with their own bodies? They are going to control that too?

In february of 2009, James Mattis, a U.S. Marine Corps and U.S. Joint Froces Command general, said that Mexico is what they call a failed state and compared my country to Pakistan. It is no secret that Mexico sends tons and tons of drugs to the U.S.A., but still, I'd like to point out, who receives the shipments? Sure thing, there are no cartels in the U.S., and no one within the U.S. government receives money for letting al those tons of drugs pass, huh?

What I'm trying to say is, legalize already, how many more people need to die before you get that drugs will never be over? At least governments could get a lot of money from taxing recreational drugs, and in the process loads of corrupted cops and polititians would stop receiving money from drug cartels.


So, what y'all think?


Up the irons!
 
The U.S faced a similar problem with Prohibition and it was just as bloody as Colombia's and Mexico's issue with drugs. The only reason Prohibition was repealed was because the goverment needed money and had lost A LOT of revenue from the alcohol tax. Also, overall, the U.S has a more effective law enforment mechanism than Mexico. Remember that the PFP is a very recent task force specially created to deal with what the regular police can't. Mexico has no FBI or CIA. We have Police and Army... While the Army has done what armies usually do in warzones (on they're way to fight bad guys they happen to rape, pillage and plunder too), the PFP has been incredibly overwhelmed with the task. From my understanding, Mexico has looked at the Colombian model to fight back drug lords.

Legalizing Marijuana and maybe psychodelics could aleviate some of the problems, but harder drugs will always be a problem. The problem in Mexico is that the cartels are running the show. I don't care if they are there, I care that they are running the country into the ground and killing people for no reason. In the 80's Cartels used to take care of people in towns and were viewed as some sort of Robin Hood. they would donate money to the city for roads, education and other infrastructure. Now, they kill everybody in a restaurant becasuse the owner refused to pay them "taxes."
 
The USA has not been a good neighbour to Mexico. The demand in the US for drugs is what's causing the turmoil in Mexico, I think.

I agree with the idea of legalization. The reason so much violence and crime is associated with drugs is not inherent in drugs themselves. It's because of the simple fact that Onhell pointed out - when you make something illegal that people REALLY want, they'll break the law in order to get it.

Drugs being criminalized simply puts power into the hands of those willing to break laws. It drives up the prices, and thus makes even more dangerous and desperate people want to get involved too.

The fix is simple, but not politician in the US wants to be nailed for being "Soft on drugs" because their opponents Democrat or Republican, it doesn't matter - would eviscerate them during the next election.

There are millions of victims in the USA because of this idiotic problem with their political system. They're dying of wounds or in prison for stupid possession charges. But there are millions more victims in the countries - Colombia and Mexico to name two - that don't even get recognition. Whole countries are being subverted by the fact that extremely violent people are getting incredibly powerful due to drug money.

My solution - legalize all drugs. Let the tobacco and alcohol companies make versions of the drugs that are relatively safe for use. They might sell bad products, but at least they aren't gunning people down in the streets.

Either that, or the USA needs to REALLY get serious and send in the Green Berets to kick the collective asses of the drug cartels. Never gonna happen though - no political will.
 
I agree with the concept of legalizing drugs, the war on them (as with most "war on X") type programs is a giant waste of money that does more harm than good. With that said, Mexico has caused plenty of it's own problems with or without any help from the US, Mexicans comsume plenty of drugs themselves, last I checked they are not legal there either.
 
Very, true, but the demand is not as high... trust me. The people that can actually afford decent merch is a small percentage. Most of the "poor" drug addicts resort to sniffing paint, paint thinner, cement and glue instead of cocaine, crack, pot, heroin or psychodelics.
 
That is probably true of the poor drug addicts here too, they will get their hands on what they can or rob/con others to get the money they need for the better stuff or moving towards prescription drugs that are fairly cheap (if you can get a prescription). Making at least the "lower level" drugs legal would go a long way towards solving these problems.

They other problem in the US is you put generally good younger people in jail for minor offenses and that experience turns them into life long experience. Both because the the jail experience itself and the stain that puts on attempts to get a job. Not to mention the cost to the taxpayer to build and staff these prisons. It makes no sense.
 
True, I've seen plenty of bums rush the Circle K at 6am for their first "40" of the day...
 
Add in that the US legal system is slanted in a very racist way, and you really have a problem. One joint on a young black man means that person is probably condemned to join a very real underclass of criminals. A white guy (like me) is far more likely to get away with it, statistically speaking.

As an aside, these are the sorts of anti-drug laws that Harper wants to bring in up here, plus private prisons (now there's a bad idea). Scary thoughts.
 
It is hard to argue that the drug laws have been applied unevenly. I have no problem with privatized prisons, the prison unions here (see California mainly) and their cronies have constantly hosed over the taxpayers over the years .. which also explains why many liberals are in favor of keeping the drug laws as is.
 
I dunno. I don't mind the idea of certain private prison contracts, but when the state is contractually obligated to keep their prisons at a certain capacity? That's a little frightening to me. As always, I think the answer is probably somewhere in between.
 
At this point, keeping them full is a a bit of a moot point, most US prisons are incredibly overcrowded .. which changing the drug laws would help a great deal obviously. Really even beyond drug laws, I think the US in general has a bit of a trigger finger when it comes to putting people in prison for relatively minor offenses. I generally see prisons as places for murderers, high level robbers, rapists and the like. There should be some other system for low level criminals (beyond even minimum security). The problem really lies in no one wanting to be soft on crime .. and oddly the only people of any stature (albeit minor) that have called for drug law repeals are mostly Republicans and Pat Robertson ... and odd situation indeed.
 
Again, proving that there is a lot of middle ground for the sensible left and right to meet upon. I wholeheartedly agree with the above.
 
Oh, by the way... I used to post here a lot some years ago and I have been wondering, what ever happened to SinisterMisterX?
 
Hello, a fellow mexican here hehe :D }
Regarding drug war, it has calmed down a lot around the place I live in, though we were in spotlight because an agent of the FBI was killed in a road near to my city. But we got something bigger right now, Election times. And let me state this: I dont want, as 70% of Mexico, PRI back in the power. Peña Nieto is clearly the worse candidate and all the polls seem to say that he's going to win, but personally Ive asked a lot of people from all economic backgrounds, and only the ones that have to do something with the PRI are going to vote for him. What do you think about this?
 
Here in the U.S there has been a lot of news on how the Mexican media (a lot of it Televisa and Televisa owned outlets) are manipulating polls in Pena Nietos favor. A recent Washington Post poll placed Lopez Obrador in front with 33% followed by Pena Nieto with 32% and Vasquez Mota with 29% and Quadri in a very distant 4th. Which is sad because Quadri is probably the best candidate, but do to lack of funds and party recognition he is not going to win. Not to mention I was a bad Mexican and did not send in my absentee ballot :(
 
Yeah the polls are too manipulated. Did you watch the debate? It was pretty darn funny! :D A lot of things happened like Lopez Obrador showing a picture upside-down lol and when Peña Nieto always asked for more time. A lot of things that were pretty funny!
 
I did watch it, it was pathetic. The only person actually answering the questions was Quadri. All the other idiots were too busy throwing shit at each other. Every time Lopez Obrador opens his mouth is a freakin' joke.
 
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