Terrorist(?) attack in London

Forostar

Forostar

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At the moment, it is still called a suspected terrorist attack.

On the BBC news site I read that in footage broadcast by ITV, the alleged attacker says: "We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you." I haven't noticed that, but there's a voice over by a journalist.

But he adds: "I apologise that women have had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same.

"You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don't care about you."

Please note: Some may find this video disturbing. It's not a video of the killing but you see a man with blooded hands and knives trying to justify the killing and he apologizes for what people had to witness.
 
Can you fill us in on what happened?

And Cried... what on earth are you talking about?
 
I said something in the vein of: if this wasn't a terrorist attack than our favourite band are the Spice Girls.
I removed it because I am not 100% sure, but apparently Cried still saw the sentence. I supposed there was no harm done with removing it.

Cried already is sure it wasn't a terrorist attack but it is still treated as such.
 
I'm still confused. What was or was not a terrorist attack? What happened?
 
I'm probably stupid, but I still don't get the connection to a terrorist attack here.
 
It's really unclear. Two blokes armed with meat cleavers and knives hacked to death a young soldier who was wearing a Help for Heroes charity t-shirt, it's not certain if he was collecting for the charity at the time. The attackers, who are described as black and didn't have foreign accents, shouted Islamist political statements. The attackers appeared to have waited for armed police to arrive and they were shot. Organised terrorism or lone psychos, who knows at this stage...
This sort of shit could end up causing race riots in the present climate

Edit: Help for Heroes primarily raises money for servicemen and ex-servicemen wounded fighting in Afghanistan. The significance of the t-shirt has been cited since the first reports came in
 
OK, all this is starting to make sense to me, I think. Whatever this was, it sounds bad.
 
I understand the confusion. The expression terrorist attack can be explained differently. And it's also not clear if it was organized by a larger group or "just" an action by a few individuals. Nonetheless, even if it's done and organized by these two only, this is indeed bad.

Apparently, after the killing, the killers waited on purpose for the police, and before they arrived they tried to attract as much attention as possible. Talking to people, etc.
 
I don't think I'd stand around filming that calmly if a guy with meat cleavers and machetes, blood on his hands and a dead body lying behind him came up to me and started talking :confused:
 
Of course, all the usual internet crusaders are out declaring it an act of terrorism. The two attackers aren't dead, according to a report I've just read, they're in hospital.
 
Yeh, apologies for my earlier statement Perun. Behind the joking (now deleted as it, now, makes no sense) my serious point was (like yours): how is this "terrorism"? It's not internet crusaders saying this, it's the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630304
"Incident now being treated by the government as a suspected terrorist attack, says the BBC's Nick Robinson"
 
Well the BBC were mostly saying it in quotation marks or saying suspected terrorist, while social media commentators are out in force declaring it as established fact.
But yes, when does a murder or attack accompanied by possible political motive become regarded as terrorism rather than crime? I suppose it's the level of organisation and planning behind the attack, or involvement of a politicised organisation. Another answer would be 'when police evoke the Prevention of Terrorism Act'.

Edit: counter-terrorism police are involved
 
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