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We have numerous people from numerous countries/states on these boards. I'd like to start a discussion that involves a hypotetical working person in your city, how much he works, what he gets paid, does he have his own housing, what can he do in his free time, etc...since it's a really broad topic, i'll start with my country and my city for example;
Split, Croatia. Average salary is declared around 700 euro per month. However, it's calculated by mean value, not median. Most of the people work for 400-500 euro. Mostly 8 AM - 4 PM, eight hours per day, five days a week. You can have at least 18 vacation days per year, and that's what you'll get in most cases. Piece of "white" bread (0.7 kgs) costs 1 euro. If you're about to purchase a flat, let's say 60m2 in some 6-7 story building not far away from the city center, that'll cost you 150.000 euros. When you count in bank rates for loans (30 years period), that flat costs almost 70% of two real average monthly wages per month. With remaining 30% of two wages, that's 300 euros, you better be on some serious diet when you pay electricty/water/communication bills.
Oh yeah, and you should have a car too. 200 euros monthly for 5 year loan for a Punto/Corsa/Clio class city vehicle.Let's say, 1400ccm, 90 hp. Average consumption should be around 7.5L/100 km of combined drive. If you're driving only on necessity, you'll drive 250 km in a month, which roughly equals 20 euros monthly for gasoline. Yearly registration and basic insurance for that kind of engine costs 300 euros, which translates into 25 euros per month. So on the end, you'll have to cash out 245 euros monthly just for basic transportation, which is half your salary.
In other words, if you and your better half have average salaries, you can only dream of a small flat in a 40 year old "community" flat and a small car.
State provides some cheap health insurance, even some serious conditions can be treated without much cash. Medical centers are not bad and not good. They don't stink, but they don't shine. Real problem is, you have a city of 400.000 with two large complexes, and a region of well over a million graviting towards those, because people don't have real hospitals in villages/small towns. So you wait for CT scan.
Primary education - all elementary schools are ran by state, and they're good, at least in my city. 90% of high schools are ran by state, and they vary - education level is quite satisfactory, but all sorts of kids go there, so you have problems. Private high schools are rare and small in capacity. State primary education is free of charge. Books and materials aren't. 300 euros for first grade elementary school books. Higher education - most of the universities are in gov't hands, and they vary by entrance system. For instance, college i graduated doesn't have "free slots" - it was around 1500 euros per year for everyone (except war veterans children, which have 2 slots per group, and compete by high school grades, and foreign kids, 1 slot), all costs considered. Most of colleges go by combined system - if a shipbuilding group on engineering college drafts 30 kids yearly, 10 compete for free slots, 20 pay. Some colleges with small groups (< 10), for instance art academy, are all on free competition.
In 2003 state started implementing Bolgona Process, i wasn't affected, but i can say it's really shitty implementation. On old-school edu system which i got, that's basically same Yugoslav Socialist edu system, you learn quantum physics and enterprise basics on computer sciences college. It's really wide, but you get smarter.
Education is decent, and average people can even afford it. However, a lot of kids don't finish high school, which is a problem caused by the poor state of country today. Young people see people with college degrees working for petty cash. Of those that enter the college, just 5% graduate. 1/3 of that 5% get the jobs adequate for their qualifications.
I won't even start with pensions/social care for challenged, etc...it's really obscene.
Well, the rare positive things don't have anything to do with modern Croatia. 90% of we have today in terms of constructions was built either by Romans, Austo-Hungarians or by Yugoslav federal gov't. And there is climate, beaches, etc, so you don't need to go on trip far away to see something beautiful.
To conclude, i'll just pass one study from the local papers - it was called "what can your first-grade child expect of his life"? He'll get his first job with 27 years of age, and he'll live with his parents somewhere in rusty suburbia.
Oh yeah - forgot the main thing. Split has a metro zone of around half million. There are total of 150 job ads currently opened. There is around 200 people capacity in computer releated groups on four colleges. There are two ads currently opened for computer releated stuff - one for shop sales, and the other for Avast antivirus resales.
'nuff said.
Split, Croatia. Average salary is declared around 700 euro per month. However, it's calculated by mean value, not median. Most of the people work for 400-500 euro. Mostly 8 AM - 4 PM, eight hours per day, five days a week. You can have at least 18 vacation days per year, and that's what you'll get in most cases. Piece of "white" bread (0.7 kgs) costs 1 euro. If you're about to purchase a flat, let's say 60m2 in some 6-7 story building not far away from the city center, that'll cost you 150.000 euros. When you count in bank rates for loans (30 years period), that flat costs almost 70% of two real average monthly wages per month. With remaining 30% of two wages, that's 300 euros, you better be on some serious diet when you pay electricty/water/communication bills.
Oh yeah, and you should have a car too. 200 euros monthly for 5 year loan for a Punto/Corsa/Clio class city vehicle.Let's say, 1400ccm, 90 hp. Average consumption should be around 7.5L/100 km of combined drive. If you're driving only on necessity, you'll drive 250 km in a month, which roughly equals 20 euros monthly for gasoline. Yearly registration and basic insurance for that kind of engine costs 300 euros, which translates into 25 euros per month. So on the end, you'll have to cash out 245 euros monthly just for basic transportation, which is half your salary.
In other words, if you and your better half have average salaries, you can only dream of a small flat in a 40 year old "community" flat and a small car.
State provides some cheap health insurance, even some serious conditions can be treated without much cash. Medical centers are not bad and not good. They don't stink, but they don't shine. Real problem is, you have a city of 400.000 with two large complexes, and a region of well over a million graviting towards those, because people don't have real hospitals in villages/small towns. So you wait for CT scan.
Primary education - all elementary schools are ran by state, and they're good, at least in my city. 90% of high schools are ran by state, and they vary - education level is quite satisfactory, but all sorts of kids go there, so you have problems. Private high schools are rare and small in capacity. State primary education is free of charge. Books and materials aren't. 300 euros for first grade elementary school books. Higher education - most of the universities are in gov't hands, and they vary by entrance system. For instance, college i graduated doesn't have "free slots" - it was around 1500 euros per year for everyone (except war veterans children, which have 2 slots per group, and compete by high school grades, and foreign kids, 1 slot), all costs considered. Most of colleges go by combined system - if a shipbuilding group on engineering college drafts 30 kids yearly, 10 compete for free slots, 20 pay. Some colleges with small groups (< 10), for instance art academy, are all on free competition.
In 2003 state started implementing Bolgona Process, i wasn't affected, but i can say it's really shitty implementation. On old-school edu system which i got, that's basically same Yugoslav Socialist edu system, you learn quantum physics and enterprise basics on computer sciences college. It's really wide, but you get smarter.
Education is decent, and average people can even afford it. However, a lot of kids don't finish high school, which is a problem caused by the poor state of country today. Young people see people with college degrees working for petty cash. Of those that enter the college, just 5% graduate. 1/3 of that 5% get the jobs adequate for their qualifications.
I won't even start with pensions/social care for challenged, etc...it's really obscene.
Well, the rare positive things don't have anything to do with modern Croatia. 90% of we have today in terms of constructions was built either by Romans, Austo-Hungarians or by Yugoslav federal gov't. And there is climate, beaches, etc, so you don't need to go on trip far away to see something beautiful.
To conclude, i'll just pass one study from the local papers - it was called "what can your first-grade child expect of his life"? He'll get his first job with 27 years of age, and he'll live with his parents somewhere in rusty suburbia.
Oh yeah - forgot the main thing. Split has a metro zone of around half million. There are total of 150 job ads currently opened. There is around 200 people capacity in computer releated groups on four colleges. There are two ads currently opened for computer releated stuff - one for shop sales, and the other for Avast antivirus resales.
'nuff said.
