North Pole : ice-free ?

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This summer may see first ice-free North Pole

There's a 50-50 chance that the North Pole will be ice-free this summer, which would be a first in recorded history, a leading ice scientist says.

The weather and ocean conditions in the next couple of weeks will determine how much of the sea ice will melt, and early signs are not good, said Mark Serreze. He's a senior researcher at the National Snow and Ice Data Center and the University of Colorado in Boulder, Colo.

The chances for a total meltdown at the pole are higher than ever because the layer of ice coating the sea is thinner than ever, he said.

"A large area at the North Pole and surrounding the North Pole is first-year ice," Serreze said. "That's the stuff that tends to melt out in the summer because it's thin."

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Didn't the Russia plant a steal flag in an ice-free section of the North pole already? what I mean is, we've had such 'phenomena' already
 
What we do with our North Pole is our business!


But seriously.  Just another sign of global warming.  It's really not a good thing at all.  However, many years where scientists have predicted a reduction in pack ice, it's stayed the same and increased.  Like the fellows at the centre say - it's a coin flip.
 
Onhell said:
Didn't the Russia plant a steal flag in an ice-free section of the North pole already? what I mean is, we've had such 'phenomena' already

No, they planted it at the bottom of the sea ... remember, the ice on the North Pole is floating, it's not a glacier like on Greenland or in the Antarctica. It's been many years since the first submarine crossed the North Pole under the ice.
 
ARMAGEDDON!

Seriously though, this is not good news. What most people don't realize I think is how there is an ecosystem on the North Pole and those that will suffer most in the short run from no ice are the polar bears who can't hunt seals without ice (breathing holes for the seals is where they catch them). Not to mention if all this ice is melting the water has to go somewhere which means...higher ocean levels all over the world. And that's another disaster. So, lets start taking global warming seriously.
 
Yes, we should take global warming seriously, but no, melting of the ice in the Arctic will not lead to rising sea levels. It is floating ffs ...

Physics lesson:

1. Archimedes' law: Any body floating in water will push away an amount of water equal to its own weight. This means that any solid body with an average density lower than that of water, will float. This is why a human can swim as long as he/she has air in the lungs - but if the lungs are filled with water, you sink.

2. As you all know, ice is the solid form of water. Unlike many other materials, water expands when it freezes (the highest density is achieved at 277, water freezes at 273). This means one ton of ice takes up more space than one ton of liquid water (if I'm correct, about 10% more). Thus ice will float. This is the reason why a lake can be frozen on the top and liquid on the bottom.* This leads to the following (as we all know); An iceberg is floating with only 10% of its total volume located above the surface.

3. What if the iceberg melts? Yes, its density will increase because it turns into liquid water. When it is completely melted, it will have the same temperature (and thus the same density) as the surface water surrounding it. The volume will of course decrease because the mass is the same as before. Thus, no increase of sea level.

So, the only risk is if glaciers located on land melt. Then we would have a net increase of the amount of water in the ocean. With global warming, this might or might not happen. One thing that works against glacier meltdown is increased precipitation; a milder climate in the arctic region will most likely increase the amount of precipitation. If the precipitation comes in the form of snow (which it does for much of the year) this will lead to the glaciers growing, not decaying.

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And by the way, forget the pictures from Al Gore of ice plunging into the sea. This (a process called calving) would happen anyway, even with a cooling climate, because glaciers are moving all the time. This is forced by gravity. A glacier typically grows on the middle and "gives away" ice closer to the sea/fjord/river.

For the polar bears; yes, hunting becomes more difficult for them, but I think that the problem might turn on us humans. The polar bears could move in to the mainland of northern Canada, Alaska, Russia, Norway and Greenland and become a threat for other species along the coast. I think these animals are adaptable enough to make a living also without the ice - after all, they are closely related to other northern bear species like the grizzly, and if they are forced to change their ways of hunting they might very well be capable of that. By that I don't mean we should stop caring and think everything will be OK. I just mean that we shouldn't drown the serious research in campaigns with cute polar bear puppies on a shrinking iceberg, or glaciers calving ice into the sea.

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Forostar said:
That's why we need more seals!
*runs*

That, and because their coat makes for nice vests and shoes ;)

*) Obviously the freezing starts where the water is in contact with the cold air, that is, at the surface - and if the ice had sunk, it would melt in contact with the warmer water. Then it would take much more time to get a layer of ice anywhere in the lake because all the water in the lake would have to be at the freezing point before we could get any stable ice. But since ice floats. only the upper few meters (or even centimeters) can be close to the freezing point and we could still have a lake covered with ice.
 
not to mention while the north pole is melting the south pole is expanding so.... meh. :p
 
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