Is this 4real?

Genghis Khan

Ancient Mariner
Once I read this, I had to post it here.  I never contemplated a possiblity of a parent wanting to place a number in their child's name.  But apparently such things happen.  :D

After reading this bit of news, I was ridiculing the parents but I also thought about the thin line between rights and limits placed on rights.  Is the name "4real" offensive or inappropriate in some manner, as to be reasonably disallowed in public birth registry?  I can understand the disallowance of "Adolph Hitler" for example, but "4real" is benign.  However, the little boys peers may not agree once he reaches school age.  I can see the ridicule now.  I would have to agree with the authorities, though I'm contradicting my otherwise libertarian stance.  There is a practical reason for this.  Humans usually associate names with letters not numbers.  Imagine having a name like 4652bhty or some none-sense like that.  What do the rest of you think?

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070621/koddities/odd_new_zealand_real_name

The full story:

New Zealand officials block '4real' as child's name; no numbers allowed
Thu Jun 21, 3:58 AM



WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) - New Zealand authorities have blocked a couple's bid to officially name their new son "4real," saying numerals are not allowed.

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Pat and Sheena Wheaton said they decided to name their new baby "4real" shortly after glimpsing him for the first time as a fetus during an ultrasound examination and being struck by the reality of his impending arrival.


"For most of us, when we try to figure out what our names mean, we have to look it up in a babies book and ... there's no direct link between the meaning and the name," Pat Wheaton told TV One on Wednesday. "With this name, everyone knows what it means."


But when the parents filed the name with New Zealand's Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages, they were told names beginning with a number were against the rules.


The government office has opened negotiations with the parents about the name under a policy that says all unusual names must be given case-by-case consideration.


"The name has not at this stage been rejected," Registrar-General Brian Clarke said in a statement Thursday. "We are currently in discussions with the parents ... to clarify the situation."


Clarke said the rules are designed to prevent names that are "likely to cause offence to a reasonable person." Satan and Adolf Hitler were proposed names that have been declined, he said.


If no compromise has been reached by July 9, the baby will be registered as "real," officials say.


New Zealand law requires all children born in the South Pacific nation to be registered with the Births, Deaths and Marriages registry within two months of birth.
 
Well, a Swedish couple wanted to call their child 'Metallica'.

David Bowie named his son 'Zowie', so his name was 'Zowie Bowie'.  He (wisely) later changed his name to...Jack...or something. :P

Frank Zappa named one of his daughters Moon Unit.

There are some right nutters out there, and I would personally slap them both and tell them to think of a proper name that the kid is not going to have the piss ripped out of him for...could you really imagine spending the rest of your life called '4real' or even 'real'?!
 
People think the government is there to protect people from their own stupidity (helmet and seatbelt laws anyone?), but I disagree, if these morons want to name their kid that, go ahead, The child can always change it when he reaches 18 or simply never speak to his moron parents ever again... so... meh
 
Raven said:
Frank Zappa named one of his daughters Moon Unit.
And Dweezil (or whatever).

Onhell said:
The child can always change it when he reaches 18 or simply never speak to his moron parents ever again... so... meh
By that time, the child will have been subjected to years of torment by other kids. So, perhaps the naming of the child is a bit more important than some parents silly whim. ;)
 
Albie said:
And Dweezil (or whatever).
By that time, the child will have been subjected to years of torment by other kids. So, perhaps the naming of the child is a bit more important than some parents silly whim. ;)

Very true, but kids will pick on anything. I understand making it easier for them by handing them a ridiculous name on a silver platter doesn't help matters, but they'll probably make fun of him for being stupid or smart, skinny or fat, for having glasses or a weird hair-do, so again... meh, moh, muh
 
Onhell said:
Very true, but kids will pick on anything. I understand making it easier for them by handing them a ridiculous name on a silver platter doesn't help matters, but they'll probably make fun of him for being stupid or smart, skinny or fat, for having glasses or a weird hair-do, so again... meh, moh, muh

Yes, but those things are (more than likely) not going to be down to the parents.  You might as well argue that they should dress him up in a gimp suit, since 'the kids are going to pick on anything'.
 
I've always been against ridiculous names in general, and this "4real" is just ridiculous, as well as impractical.  Sure, the parents might think it's "special" but they don't think about the child (as many have already said).  And 18 is a LONG way to go with a stupid name. 

Even if he/she wouldn't be bullied because of the name, he/she would be in a lot of awkward situations because of the name.  Eg. Any kind of official forms ("is that an A or a 4?").  Or just try writing it without knowing it's a 4.  If someone has to write it down from hearing, they would probably spell it "forreal" or something.  It would cause a huge amount of problems in bureaucracy alone.

So, short answer: numbers don't belong in names, if only for the sake of practicality.
 
"Real" actually wouldn't be such a bad name. But somebody needs to tell people that numbers can not serve to replace letters, let alone words.
 
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought the parents were completely nutty.  :D

Of course if the kid was rich and over 18 he could probably change his name to something like the "symbol used to designate the name of the artist formerly known as Prince... yadda-yadda"  :bigsmile:
 
Raven said:
Yes, but those things are (more than likely) not going to be down to the parents.  You might as well argue that they should dress him up in a gimp suit, since 'the kids are going to pick on anything'.

Ok I argue that they should dress him up in a gimp suit, with a clown nose and a pimp hat since the kids are going to pick on anything. :p
 
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