German Elections 2009

Perun

His name struck fear into hearts of men
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So this weekend, most major German parties have launched their electoral campaign for the European elections and in effect for the general elections for the Bundestag (Parliament) in September. 2009 is what is called a Superwahljahr, or "super election year" because there is an unusually high number of elections in the country: Apart from the European and Parliamentary elections, there are five elections for state parliaments and eight local elections, as well as the presidential election.

Of those elections, only the parliamentary election in Hesse has taken place. The next upcoming ones are that of the federal President on 23. May (although that is done by the federal council, with no say by the people) and then the European elections on 7. June.

To give you people a bit of a background, there are currently five parties in the Bundestag:

  • The Christian Democratic Union (CDU), which is conservative (centre to centre-right) (colour: Black)
  • The Social Democrats (SPD), who are centre-left (colour: Red)
  • The Greens (Bündnis 90/Die Grünen) (Colour: Green)
  • The "Leftist Party" (DIE LINKE.), socialist (colour: Red)
  • The Free Democratic Party (FDP), which is liberal (colour: Yellow)
  • The Bavarian-only Christian Social Union (CSU), which is allied with the CDU on federal level (colour: Black)

The government is currently made up of a grand coalition of CDU/CSU (usually referred to only as the "Union) and SPD ("Black-red" coalition). Chancellor Merkel is of the CDU, vice-chancellor and foreign minister Steinmeier is a Social Democrat. Coalitions are the norm in Germany, where you don't vote for the chancellor and ministers in person, but the parties. The last time a party had absolute majority was in 1957. The SPD is currently the most powerful party in the country, after surprisingly winning the 2005 elections with 34.2% however, the CDU/CSU union is the strongest fraction with a combined total of 35.2%.

There are no clear predictions of whom may ally with whom after the general elections, the only cases that are clear is that nobody will enter a coalition with the leftists, and the Greens will not join a coalition with the Union and the FDP ("Black-Yellow-Green" or "Jamaica" coalition), but are open to anything else. The FDP said it favours a Black-Yellow coalition, and a continuation of the current coalition is possible as well, although Union and SPD hate working together.

Each party is present in at least one state government. Germany is made up of the sixteen states Bavaria (CSU/FDP), Baden-Württemberg CDU/FDP/DVP), Rhineland-Palatinate (SPD), Saarland (CDU), Hesse (CDU/FDP), Northrhine-Westphalia (CDU/FDP), Lower Saxony (CDU(FDP), Bremen (SPD/Greens), Hamburg (CDU/Greens), Schleswig-Holstein (CDU/SPD), Mecklenburg-Vorpommern (SPD/CDU), Brandenburg (SPD/CDU), Berlin (SPD/Leftists), Saxony (CDU/SPD), Saxony-Anhalt (CDU/SPD) and Thuringia (CDU).

Of the minor parties, the strongest one is the National Democratic Party (NPD), which is extreme right-winged and commonly considered nazi. The party is still within the margins of legality, but considered to support local, violent nazi groups. The party plays virtually no role in former Western Germany, but is present in two parliaments of Eastern, or "New" states (Saxony and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern). The party is known for its grasrroot activity, and it is impossible to estimate how much political influence it actually has, and therefore unpredictable whether they can get any seats in the Bundestag in the forthcoming elections. Other political parties play no role in federal politics.

There are two major issues that are addressed in the campaign, and that are more or less intertwined: The economic crisis and social politics. About a year ago, there were major public discussions about how a large part of the German population is descending to poverty, and a new, wide "lower class" is forming. Many hold the Schröder administration (1998-2005) responsible, particularly the social reforms (Keywords: Agenda 2010 and Hartz-concept) which cut government spendings for the welfare network, in particular for those who have been unemployed for a longer time; this was an attempt to reduce alarmingly high unemployment rates. Although these rates have indeed gone back since, the number of underpaid day jobs and especially people who have two or more jobs, have risen. Many people find it scandalous that the government tolerates or even supports jobs which have a wage of one Euro per hour, or 400 Euros per month (beyond which you don't get any welfare), claiming that a dignified life is not possible under these conditions.
The crisis is felt more in the east than in the west, and many areas of eastern Germany are suffering from significant depopulation, unemployment, and in effect, poverty.

Union and SPD are basically supportive of the current way of things. Before the 2005 elections, left-winged SPD members who did not support the system left the party and in a complicated series of events founded a new party on the foundations of the Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS) which at that time was the leading leftist party; the new party is called DIE LINKE. and believes that government spendings on the welfare network must increase, while support for the capitalist economy should be cut back. Incidentally, the PDS was formed by former members of the SED, the communist ruling party of East Germany.

The FDP believes that the key to reducing unemployment and raising living standards is by cutting taxes. The governing parties are indeed planning to do so, after the VAT was actually raised by two per cent after the 2005 elections.

The Greens are more or less supportive of the SPD ways (the Schröder administration was an SPD/Green coalition), their main focus are naturally ecologic questions, although they are not reduced to that and indeed have carefully thought out ideas and concepts.

The NPD is basically saying the same things as the leftists, although they obviously try to point out that immigrant workers are part of the problem. They also claim that all parliamentary parties have lost touch with the people and only care for power, while the NPD itself tries to style itself as the little man's advocate. Like the Leftists, the NPD has its strongholds in the east, unlike the Leftists, however, they don't have any significant foothold at all in the West.

That's all for now. I will tell you my own opinions at a later point.
 
In Poland quite some people associate Socialist or left with Communist. Sometimes people don't even try to see if there is a difference between those terms (or parties).

How's that in Germany?
Does the cold war era still make those terms suspicious, or is it (slightly) different in your country?
 
Given that the GDR labeled itself "Socialist", that word is stigmatised. However, the predecessor of today's leftist party has coined the term of "Democratic Socialism" in attempt to point out differences between the GDR's ideology and it's own concept. Most educated people realise the difference, and nobody except the most conservative parts of the CDU/CSU would indeed label today's leftist party Communist. The leftists are less criticised for being "Communist", and more for being a party of empty, illusory words. There is a Communist movement in Germany, but it is tiny and of no significance.
 
I always (well, the two I've voted in so far) do the advance voting, as it's faster and less of a hassle.  I've also tried to get all the people I know to vote, as the voting percentage for EU elections in Finland is about 40%.  It seems most people just don't care.
 
Perun said:
To give you people a bit of a background, there are currently five parties in the Bundestag:

  • The Christian Democratic Union (CDU), which is conservative (centre to centre-right) (colour: Black)
  • The Social Democrats (SPD), who are centre-left (colour: Red)
  • The Greens (Bündnis 90/Die Grünen) (Colour: Green)
  • The "Leftist Party" (DIE LINKE.), socialist (colour: Red)
  • The Free Democratic Party (FDP), which is liberal (colour: Yellow)
  • The Bavarian-only Christian Social Union (CSU), which is allied with the CDU on federal level (colour: Black)

Five?

Counting FAIL.

:P
 
Too right I voted.We were promised a referendum on whether to accept the new constitution or not when Labour won the election in 1997, which has been renaged upon.

The other advantage was that the polling station was right opposite the village pub for added incentive.
 
Provisional figures for EU voting turnout is 43%, a record low. I find it very frustrating when people say they don't vote, becuase they feel it makes no difference - others see no difference between the parties/candidates. I don't agree with making voting compulsory, but maybe there should be a last option, 'None of the above', so the disillusioned aren't lumped together with the apathetic and their voice is still heard.

I think results are coming in right now for UK seats.
 
SinisterMinisterX said:
Five?

Counting FAIL.

Damn, I meant to write "fractions".

Current results for Germany are:

CDU: 30.8%
CSU: 7.0%
SPD: 20.8%
Greens: 12.1%
Leftists: 7.6%
FDP: 10.9%
Others: 10.8%

I don't have any data for percentage of people who voted, but I expect it to be very low.
 
40.3% in Finland, a record low for the country and lower than average in Europe.  Plus, Perussuomalaiset (a populist-nationalist-conservative anti-EU party, think fascism in a mild way) got 9% of the votes here.  Not the finest hour of democracy I say.
 
BBC NEWS | Politics said:
The British National Party has won its first seat in the European Parliament after gaining more than 120,000 votes in the Yorkshire and Humber region.

Dear. God.

Oh, my. The Lib Dems never prove themselves, do they? They came through the expenses scandal without too much damage, at least not compared to Labour or the Tories. They could show that they had what it takes to govern properly, yet they faff and they show themselves as empty shirts. Gah! The Conservatives swept the board in the local elections: my council was (well) run by the Lib Dems, yet somehow people are being shepherded by Captain Cameron's Chameleon Brigade. (Yes, the alliteration is beautiful).

We've got Labour falling over their arses, we've got the Tories bowling for any vote for they can, the Liberal Democrats are probably holding a policy consortium in a bland market town that no one cares about, UKIP are on every damn breakfast show and the BNP are pushing that closet door shut and shining their shoes.

Parliament is screwed. I'm moving to Wales. Oh... wait...

The system isn't run very well. Most of all I hate the partisanship: no MP can be an MP. It's not democracy when you can shovel your elected representatives with a three-line whip. It's not democracy when the man who runs our country is elected by his party, not his people. It's not democracy when the people in power get to choose when the next election is.

Again: Gah!
 
Pineapple Hunter said:
The system isn't run very well. Most of all I hate the partisanship: no MP can be an MP. It's not democracy when you can shovel your elected representatives with a three-line whip. It's not democracy when the man who runs our country is elected by his party, not his people. It's not democracy when the people in power get to choose when the next election is.

It's party politics though, not individuals. Labour, not Tony Blair, was voted in in 2005.
 
43.8% voted in Sweden. The only fringe party that received a lot of votes - 7.1% to be precise - was the so called "Pirate Party", who only deal with filesharing issues. Basically, they want stuff to be free.
 
Netherlands: Turnout was 36.5%, lower than in 2004 but higher than in 1999.

Most striking fact:
The far-right nationalistic, populistic, anti-immigration, anti-Islam, anti-Europe Party for Freedom (PVV) of Geert Wilders, stormed to second(!) place with 17%, winning four seats in the European Parliament in its first attempt.

Fuck it.

Wilders lifted the subject Europe in his hand, smashed it to pulp and instead directed the attention to national "problems".

It seems it doesn't matter how many lies Wilders tells about immigrants, Europe, our government or other crap.
It doesn't matter that he has no solutions for the problems he mentions. A lot of people find it acceptable because he brings everything simple, straight and clear. No room for nuance... no problem...

I can't really see what or who will stop this man from making his party the biggest party in the Netherlands. My country is infested with spoiled (look how good we have it here, compared to zillion other countries in the world!), intolerant people who only care about puppets and not about substance.

However, the good thing is that (almost) all other parties probably don't want to form a coaliton with them.

edit:
By the way, things don't look well for (the unity of) Europe either. I just read that the latest results from the European Parliamentary elections indicate that Eurosceptic parties have doubled their representation in Brussels, jumping from around 50 to more than 100 seats!
 
national acrobat said:
It's party politics though, not individuals. Labour, not Tony Blair, was voted in in 2005.

I know, darling, as you can see from the sentence preceding that one. That's the only part of US politics that I'm jealous of: the fact that believe it or not, party politics is much, much worse in the UK then it is over the pond.

Also, Labour won a landslide victory in 1997, as well as winning again in 2001 and 2005. :)
 
LooseCannon said:
Well, Foro...perhaps that says a lot about the people opposing him, instead?

The politicians you mean? Who knows. The success for Wilders could indeed be a signal that many people are fed up with the government. I totally disagree. We had good guidance in the crisis and I agree with many measurements taken. Well, I rather support a party becoming smaller with ideas I support instead of following a herd of sheep.

But it's true, no one seems to know a good medicine vs Wilders. Argumenting only doesn't work.
 
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