Bush administration to keep control...

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This is 1984! [!--emo&:blink:--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/blink.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'blink.gif\' /][!--endemo--]

[a href=\'http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/news/0,12597,1519551,00.html\' target=\'_blank\']Read more[/a].
 
Smart arse! [!--emo&^_^--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/happy.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'happy.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Maverick+Jul 4 2005, 05:11 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Maverick @ Jul 4 2005, 05:11 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Smart arse!  [!--emo&^_^--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/happy.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'happy.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
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Beg your pardon [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
I'll let it pass 'cause it's your birthday. But don't you dare outwitting me again! [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
This is sickening! How can the US uphold such a decision? Keeping them under US control shows the blatant intent to attempt to be able to control just one more piece of the world. The international powers that be should bypass this decision or demand posession of these root servers. Its 'fucking ridiculous'.

Excuse the swearing
 
I don't see a problem with this. The internet was created for and by the United States government (specifically, the Dept. of Defence)

It's not as if Uncle Sam was taking control of them from an international group; they merely are keeping the root servers under their own watch. The internet is becomming too important to the commerce of the US to simply let the ONLY possible means of regulation to fall away.
The Yanks have every right to keep control of their own property.

And this article is extremely biased in its tone - it implies all sorts of worst-case scenarios without mentioning that these servers have NEVER left US control. The US government was not just a "key player" in the development of the 'net, it was the ONLY player.

The internet as we know it is still in its infancy, and this is the sort of thing that will need to be worked out as it evolves. Should it be regulated or completely open market? How do sales taxes apply? Who decides the limit of content? Can stuff be downloaded for free? How safe can we feel with personal info?
It's a completely new medium of communication and commerce, and it would be astoundingly stupid to think we have it perfect in less than 15 years of trial and error.

A bit of net history off the top of my head: It was started as ARAPNET (I think) in the 1970's as a way to keep the government running in the event of a nuclear attack. Because there was no central hub, the theory was that even if DC was nuked, they could run the counter atack from any one of a number of other locations.
Later, in the early-mid 80's, American universities went online to take advantage of the information-sharing potentials of the net. (This is when the first IRC-type chat rooms came into existence)
By the early 1990's, with the threat of the Soviet Union gone, the 'net went public. Then we had the rise and fall of the dotcoms (aka 'the dot com bubble'), Napster, DoS attacks, huge virus scares, etc. Amazon, Google,and Ebay dominating the commerce and searches, and the rise of the blogs as a new form of news media.
And on we surf, until we reach this page:
[a href=\'http://www.1112.net/lastpage.html\' target=\'_blank\']The Last Page of the Internet[/a]

Duke
 
Basically, the article states that the US administration will keep control instead of handing it to some private company.

If a private company would have got it, I think we'd have seen many comments on how the corporate world was taking over the internet...

Cheers
 
[!--QuoteBegin-The Saint+Jul 4 2005, 01:32 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(The Saint @ Jul 4 2005, 01:32 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Basically, the article states that the US administration will keep control instead of handing it to some private company.

If a private company would have got it, I think we'd have seen many comments on how the corporate world was taking over the internet...

Cheers
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From what I understood, the idea was to hand them over to an international regulatory body (like the International Olympic Committee for the internet)

This agency would not have been elected by ANYONE; at least the US Gov was elected by SOME of the planet's citizens (300,000,000 of them!).
 
I don't see what the big deal is. As far as internet information and content goes I've said it once and I'll say it again. We already pay a service provider to connect us, why should we pay AGAIN to individual sites (like newspapers, encyclopedias, etc) to browse their information? It should be free. Period.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Onhell+Jul 4 2005, 12:22 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Onhell @ Jul 4 2005, 12:22 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]...why should we pay AGAIN to individual sites (like newspapers, encyclopedias, etc) to browse their information? It should be free. Period.
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Sites such as the above have the right to ask for payment because they employ writers, editors etc. who create the content and deserve to be paid for their efforts. Free sites like this one or [a href=\'http://www.top10songs.net\' target=\'_blank\']Top10Songs.net[/a] are free because the owners of those sites willingly give up their spare time to provide free content. Just because some of us are crazy like that doesn't mean everyone has to be.
 
I found a subliminal message in the above post. Whoever else finds it gets a smilie [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
It wasn't subliminal, it was a blatant ad for that poxy site! [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]


Now, do I get a smiley? [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
Mine's MUCH better! [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
(cocky git I am!)
 
Here you go, Mav: [!--emo&:)--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/smile.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'smile.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
[!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--] How can you forget the Commentary? [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
[!--QuoteBegin-Maverick+Jul 4 2005, 03:28 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Maverick @ Jul 4 2005, 03:28 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]It wasn't subliminal, it was a blatant ad for that poxy site!  [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
Now, do I get a smiley?  [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
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It was hardly an advertisement; I merely used [a href=\'http://www.top10songs.net\' target=\'_blank\']my own site[/a] as one example of a [a href=\'http://www.top10songs.net\' target=\'_blank\']free website[/a]. If it had been a real advertisement, it would have said something more like "Come visit [a href=\'http://www.top10songs.net\' target=\'_blank\']Top10Songs.net[/a]!". Kinda like my sig.

A reminder for everyone: Maverick is sometimes just a grumpy old man. [!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
I agree with SMX on the issue of paying for stuff.

If someone want's to post their intellectual property for free access on the internet, all the power to them. They'll have to find some other way of paying for the upkeep of their servers, paying their staff (if they have one), and gathering their info (it's not cheap to be a reporter!) Maintaining a website costs money, and maintaining a GOOD website costs even more money.

If they want to charge people for their content, then they are 100% entitled to do so. A website is the intellectual property of its creator and he/she can decide the circumstances under which people get access.

Personally, I do not visit pay-sites because I know I can get most of what I want for free from a different site and I'm a miser.

Someone mentioned the argument that they already pay an ISP to access the net, so they shouldn't have to pay again. That's just plain silly. I pay a monthly fee to my ISP, Aliant Telecom. How is SMX to be compensated for the work in his site? I don't think Aliant is going to pay him each time I visit there, nor should they.

It's about free market principles in the end: People on the 'net are free to sell their content. That doesn't mean you HAVE to buy it. If you don't like the price, shop elsewhere until you find one more agreeable.
 
[!--QuoteBegin-IronDuke+Jul 5 2005, 01:39 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(IronDuke @ Jul 5 2005, 01:39 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]

Someone mentioned the argument that they already pay an ISP to access the net, so they shouldn't have to pay again. That's just plain silly.
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[!--emo&:P--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/tongue.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'tongue.gif\' /][!--endemo--] So i'm an idealist shoot me! [!--emo&:D--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/biggrin.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'biggrin.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
 
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