Biggest music blunders...

Onhell

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War against Web tops music biz "screw-ups" list
http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/58400153
03/12/2008 5:00 PM, Reuters


The talent scout who turned down the Beatles has long been credited with committing the music industry's biggest gaffe.

But Dick Rowe's billion-dollar boo-boo has been beaten to the top spot on Blender magazine's list of the "20 biggest record company screw-ups of all time" by the failure of record companies to capitalize on the Internet.

The major labels took top dishonors for driving file-sharing service Napster out of business in 2001, instead of figuring out a way to make money from its tens of millions of users. The downloaders merely scattered to hundreds of other sites, and the industry has been in a tailspin ever since.

"The labels' campaign to stop their music from being acquired for free across the Internet has been like trying to cork a hurricane -- upward of a billion files are swapped every month on peer-to-peer networks," Blender said in the report, which appears in its newly published April issue.

Rowe came in at No. 2 for politely passing on the Beatles after the unpolished combo performed a disastrous audition in 1962. Beatles manager Brian Epstein later claimed the Decca Records executive had told him that "groups with guitars are on their way out," a comment that Rowe denied making. He went on to sign the Rolling Stones.

Motown Records founder Berry Gordy was No. 3, because he sold the money-losing home of the Supremes and Marvin Gaye for about $60 million in 1988. The sum was dwarfed the following year when A&M Records sold for about $500 million. And in 1990, David Geffen got about $700 million for Geffen Records. (Gordy did retain ownership of the lucrative Motown copyrights.)

Geffen Records grabbed two spots on the list: No. 11 for suing Neil Young in the 1980s because it did not like his uncommercial musical direction; and No. 12, for pumping a reported $13 million into a Guns N' Roses album that still has not seen the light of day after more than a decade of work.

Other hall of shamers included Columbia Records at No. 10, for dumping Alicia Keys and rapper 50 Cent before they became famous; and Warner Bros. Records at No. 13 for signing rock band R.E.M. to a money-losing $80 million contract in 1996.

Reuters/Nielsen
 
Let's try and be halfway fair: the Beatles were turned down by something like 20 different record labels before they got signed. That guy made a mistake, but he wasn't the only one.
 
And I wouldn't call it a "mistake". How the hell were they suppose to know how big they would become? These sort of things happen all the time, both in music, sports, academia, etc.
 
That's true Onhell but consider this.  I think one must have a great ear and precision with some passion for music.  A great talent scout of this nature can land the best band in the business.  However the mediocre talent agent with not much passion and closed off a tad will come off as gaffe.  The Beatles went through 20 record companies (as stated by SMX) so that tells me that great talent scouts are hard to come by.  I know people don't like American Idol on this forum (either do I, but at first I did) but Simon Cowell the judge on that show is pretty right on the money.  So who ever discoverd the Who, Zep, Stones and yes Iron Maiden were very much on the money.  To me, a mediocre talent scout can only discover one hit wonders.  Such as, Dexy's Midnight Runners who had the hit "Come On Eileen"  and......thats it.  Fast money for a record company.  Gaffe at it's best!
 
True, but the article states the same guy went on to sign The Rolling Stones, so as much as I don't like the Stones, they became a pretty big deal and I'd say he was "on the money". This will probably make sense to the hockey fans, but here is an example of a "mistake". Craig Patrick, GM for the Pittsburgh Penguins from the late 80s to like the year 2000, traded Markus Naslund to the Vancouver Canucks in the early 90's. Naslund is a top notch forward and everybody thinks Patrick was a moron for trading him. However, at the time Patrick had Lemieux (The best player EVER, sorry Gretzky), Jaromir Jagr (arguably currently the best player, yes even through his "funk"), and others like Kevin Stevens, Ron Francis and Joe Mullen (wiki any of these names and you'll see they were no slouches). Point being Patrick already had a shit load of talent to work with, dealing Naslund at the time wasn't that big of a deal, specially considering his production during his stay in Pittsburgh. The change of scenery did him well.

As did Steve Nash's move from the Dallas Mavericks to the Phoenix Suns. There's more than talent to a player, sometimes it takes the right coach, supporting cast, system, etc.
 
The article's mention of the music business failure to capitalize on the internet is right on the money.  Lars Ulrich's battle with Napster should also be on the list.  Now there are tons of sites ready to download Metallica's music.  Many old time fans also turned their backs on the band. 
 
The industry's failure to capitalize on the internet is definitely a blunder, Urlich's beef with napster is not. He had a legitimate grip in that it essentially is theft of intellectual property, it was the music industry that fucked up in making sure there was something POSITIVE done about that, which is why Steve Job's is a GENIUS for iTunes and getting the four major labels to back him up. Though iTunes is really too little too late.
 
Onhell said:
The industry's failure to capitalize on the internet is definitely a blunder, Urlich's beef with napster is not. He had a legitimate grip in that it essentially is theft of intellectual property, it was the music industry that fucked up in making sure there was something POSITIVE done about that, which is why Steve Job's is a GENIUS for iTunes and getting the four major labels to back him up. Though iTunes is really too little too late.

Hey, I don't blame Lars; he was justified.  I'm just saying Metallica lost fans.  Metallica were not the only ones being ripped off.  He stuck his head out.  It was brave, but I'm sure there could have been a better way to do it as I don't think it payed off in the end.
EDIT: @ Onhell: What about your piracy?  :lol:

"I'm burning it from my neighbor hehe... and i'm buying mp3 cds for a buck right outside my dad's apartment... long live 3rd world piracy!!!" From United Abominations thread.
 
What about it? :D In all seriousness, I use it like many people here use their downloads, I buy them to sample bands and those I find to my liking I end up buying the cds (like Mago de Oz, Megadeth, Symphony X). DT's last Album, Systematic Chaos, I burnt it off a friend and I just bought it two weeks ago... I'm sure most people don't do that though...
 
I have some d/l nuggets.  If I like 'em though, I buy 'em.  As I stated on the now-defunct original newbie intro thread, I first got all Maiden when my bro d/l it to his pc.  I loved the band, and not long after I bought each and every of their studio albums.  This is a great way to find if the band rocks; so we agree.  ;)
 
Yes, LC should wear a tutu and sing Figaro in the rain... Oh you mean the downloads? yeah sure, we agree :D
 
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