News 18th Studio Album discussion

[dickinson1978]

I respect your opinion, but I have to massively disagree with you. I’m not sure how anyone can listen to Senjutsu and say how that is a superior album to Dance of Death. Half of the songs sound like they are demos in Steve’s mind.

Its just my opinon of course. One album has to be the worst and for me its that one .

 

[Eduardo Cabeza]

I disagree. I quite like the song and it was bold to play it l

Indeed. As an encore! And it bloody worked.

 

[Vaenyr]

It worked well live, but the song is the answer to the question: "How would have Virtual XI sounded with Bruce on vocals?" Well, the answer is "Not that great" (in the same way as Lost in a Lost World shows how The X Factor would have sounded with Bruce on vocals - still boring for the most part).

Funnily enough Lost In A Lost World is one of my favourites on Senjutsu and I really love that song

 

[Murder of Rue Morgue]

I'd say the high points on DOD are higher (Paschendale in particular), but BNW is more consistent.

EDIT: The stinkers on DOD (No More Lies in particular) stink more though.

Yeah exactly. BNW is more consistent from start to finish, DOD is more polarised between peaks and stinkers.

Man, y'all are crazy, No More Lies is a 10/10, especially live. The only thing I could see being criticized is the chorus melody being the same each time, which Bruce changed live, so that's a non-issue. One of the few songs where we get a solo by each guitarist one after another after another, without any interruptions. And the song is dripping with atmosphere. So many singable guitar lines.

It definitely an issue as long as the studio version exists. It's not that because Bruce modified it on stage, the original gets cancelled. That's not how it works.

It worked well live, but the song is the answer to the question: "How would have Virtual XI sounded with Bruce on vocals?" Well, the answer is "Not that great" (in the same way as Lost in a Lost World shows how The X Factor would have sounded with Bruce on vocals - still boring for the most part).

Precisely. And For the Greater Good of God is a third one.

 

[Vaenyr]

It definitely an issue as long as the studio version exists. It's not that because Bruce modified it on stage, the original gets cancelled. That's not how it works.

That's obviously not what I was implying. Maiden are one of the few bands, where many of the songs are much better live. Hallowed or FOTD for example, I only ever listen to the studio versions if I'm listening to the entire album. If I wanna hear those songs, I go for one of the live versions, not the studio version, because the former are so much better than the latter (imo). Same thing with NML. The studio version has its issues, but the live version is the definitive one for me.

 

[Murder of Rue Morgue]

That's obviously not what I was implying. Maiden are one of the few bands, where many of the songs are much better live. Hallowed or FOTD for example, I only ever listen to the studio versions if I'm listening to the entire album. If I wanna hear those songs, I go for one of the live versions, not the studio version, because the former are so much better than the latter (imo). Same thing with NML. The studio version has its issues, but the live version is the definitive one for me.

Well, sorry, but yes, that unquestionably was the implication of what you said. We're talking about the studio album here, and if one plays the studio record, the "No More Lies" that plays is the studio version, not the live version.

Otherwise, Where Eagles Dare becomes a stinker because that's how Bruce sounds on the Real Dead One version.

 

[Vaenyr]

Well, sorry, but yes, that unquestionably was the implication of what you said. We're talking about the studio album here, and if one plays the studio record, the "No More Lies" that plays is the studio version, not the live version.

Uh, no. It was not specifically about the studio version. It was about the song in general, so talking about both versions is fair game. Quit the semantics, there's no reason for that. You might be talking about the studio version, others talked about the live version. Chill out.

Otherwise, Where Eagles Dare becomes a stinker because that's how Bruce sounds on the Real Dead One version.

Come on, that's just silly now. This is quite literally the opposite of the point that I was making and now you're just being deliberately obtuse. I said, and I quote:

Maiden are one of the few bands, where many of the songs are much better live. Hallowed or FOTD for example, I only ever listen to the studio versions if I'm listening to the entire album. If I wanna hear those songs, I go for one of the live versions, not the studio version, because the former are so much better than the latter (imo).

Nowhere did anyone ever claim that every shitty live version replaces the studio version. I was specific and I'll repeat it: Some live versions for some of the songs are so much better than the studio version, that IMO, they become the definitive version of the songs. For such cases, I do not return to the studio version as much, so the faults of the album recording aren't as relevant, since I have a phenomenal live recording I'd much rather listen to.

It's reeeally not a difficult concept. No need to "well akshually..." and misrepresenting clearly made points for the sake of, what, hostility?

 

[Flaming Blimp Crash]

To hop onto the DoD discussion, I did a replay of the reunion albums on a road trip home the other week and it's almost jarring how much of a drop in quality the songs are on Dance of Death in comparison to Brave New World. No More Lies, title track and Paschendale are my definite keeps, Rainmaker's the best of the short songs on there. The rest just sounds like filler.