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Saying Ghost IS a gimmick that play shit music concocted for playlist-idiots full of earworms is elitist and dismissive. Sayin they have gimmicks isn't. Saying they aren't metal isn't elitist either because it's true; they are genre transcending with pop, disco, metal etc influences in a Rock...

In good company, though I have ways to go, I am learning, for exemple by reading posts such as your original contribution to the argument.

Hat off, AI-assisted Fox News level of spin and strawman argument. Ghost has a gimmick. You said they are a gimmick (while slagging off their music with a verbal diarrhea which also essentially was deragotory to their fans). Nobody is arguing they don’t have a gimmick, which Maiden themselves...

And at the same time people go "Ghost care mostly about their image!" .. the pot calling the kettle black. :D But anyway, yeah, it's the tour thread and I'll happily continue this in the Ghost thread.

Yes. The point of it is that you throw around almost the same kind of shit that people did regarding Heavy Metal. It's simple, it's gimmicky, it's for idiots that want to nod their heads to an earworm. Talking like that is being a music elitist. Saying a band is nothing more than a gimmick is...

Opinions can reek of elitism, especially when you matter-of-factly label a band as simply being a gimmick. This is a splendid example of acting like a music elitist. "I find twatty bands like Iron Maiden repugnant, cheesy rubbish that cater to the simple, straightforward, Devil-worshipping...

It's certainly not. There are tons of artists' demos and song ideas that get reworked into superior work.

There is some serious music elitism going on here.

My favorites are Meliora and Prequelle. Your quote reminds me of the fraction of Maiden fans saying everything went downhill after "Killers". :D

I think that some people don't like the genre crossovers that Ghost is all about. Ghost is transcending styles within a heavy Rock packaging, and the main critique I've come across is that it's just Pop with a heavy production (which is unfair, as Ghost isn't just a pop/heavy rock fusion, but...

Nailed it.

That's some mighty fine hoop jumping that No Prayer isn't judged on its merits but is a result of group-think. I think Tailgunner is decent, Daughter is great (relative to Maiden's creative standards). The rest is, for Maiden, bland and boring. I thought that in 2004-2005 when I got into Maiden...

It's possible that there is bad blood. But, other than Nicko talking about Bruce's timing (of which the intent is still very much not clear), there is nothing than pure speculation to back it up with. So what's the point of getting riled up and convinced there's trouble in paradise for when...

I was talking in terms of prominence in the mix, not how Steve plays.

I have heard the 5.1, but not the DTS. Cool!

And the bass is still very prominent.

A bit apples and oranges, but yes, it's a very nice sounding record, though for a Birch production, lackluster.

I disagree, man. Primal Fear have their own sound and style, pretty much like Maiden have had very era-specific types of songwriting and sound. That being said, Primal Fear have increasingly settled on a differerent style of riffing than their early 5 records and they have stuck with the same...

Come on buddy, they are not that different, and especially not after out of nowhere being called a bellend.