the arrow isn't the problem, the AI being used is though
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES 2025 Tour Thread *SPOILERS INSIDE*
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Poto
Ancient Mariner
Haha.
Murder of Rue Morgue
They're never gonna find me!
It's not a new part, it was in the original already. They simply did not play it live before. In 2005 and 2013 he joined the harmony .
Josh
Ancient Mariner
I’m glad Maiden doesn’t do this. I want to hear some of these songs I’ve never heard live before. I don’t have to worry when they come to the U.S. Seventh Son and Rime are switched out. Having a static setlist sets expectations.
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
Must be a sad life having to deflect valid criticism against the use of generative AI in art to defend your favorite band.
I love Maiden but the use of AI instead of real artists is a bullshit move and needs to be called out. Ridiculing the argument doesn't address it, nor does it make the criticism void. If you don't wanna talk about this feel free to ignore it, but don't patronize people for having principles and sticking to them. It's not a good look.
7th son
Educated Fool
Since I usually go to more than one show per tour, I personally love it and think it is a great way to keep things fresh for the fans and the band.
However, it can have a downside if you go to one show and the song you wanted to hear was not played.
I like rotating songs when the whole process is well-thought-out. For example, Ghost are rotating Faith and From the Pinnacle to the Pit. They're equivalents. Both play the same role, they're both well-known, mid-tempo, heavier tracks. So it's okay to rotate them, it makes sense. Both have been included in most of the band's setlists in the past few years, they're not deep cuts. BUT at the same time Ghost are rotating Majesty and Call Me Little Sunshine - which is incredibly stupid since Majesty is a rarity and CMLS was played at every arena show on the previous tour.
So in Maiden's case - in RfYL tour case - I wouldnt' be against rotating the hits (for example 23:58->TETMD), but songs like Rime or Seventh Son should not leave the setlist, they're too important not to be included on any setlist of the tour.
So in Maiden's case - in RfYL tour case - I wouldnt' be against rotating the hits (for example 23:58->TETMD), but songs like Rime or Seventh Son should not leave the setlist, they're too important not to be included on any setlist of the tour.
Iron Brody
Educated Fool
I assume it is supposed to be a crossbow (like in the original poem), but that does seem like a major error. I hope it's just a screw up on an animators's part, but it definitely looks like an AI forgetting to add the crossbow.This isn't a man's work. I assume that what the guy's holding is supposed to be a bow (a crossbow?), but... Well, yeah. Doesn't really resemble one.
The ship itself changes its' appearance. Sometimes it looks like a ship you could see in the Pirates of the Carribean movies, sometimes it looks like an older ship from the Columbus era. The waves look weird as well. I haven't seen all of the new animations yet, but this one is definitely AI-made.
Personally, I will wait to express disappointment if or when it is confirmed to be AI. But yeah.... not a good look
IMHO the set-list is epic! Maiden love playing Aces High even if Bruce can’t quite belt it out like he used to. It’s one of many great and popular songs from that album.
Do not understand the AI comments at all. Various bands have been using AI and screens for 2+ decades while Maiden has stuck with curtains / tapestries that look great. Huge fan of the big screen and all the videos and animations for all the songs. For those complaining about AI, were you expecting them to film real mini movies for the screens, so something like Black Sails for Rime? I have not seen any complaining for 20 years of Maiden shirts having essentially a cartoon mascot Eddie.
Anxiously awaiting 2026 tour announcement.
PS - Metallica can’t hold a candle to Maiden, they have some good songs but the technical musicianship, themes, lyrics, and musics complexity are all JV vs Maiden. As well, Maiden has toured MUCH more extensively over the past 5/10/15 years so I don’t really care about Metallica playing in Dallas Cowboys stadium for 2 straight nights. All IMHO.
Do not understand the AI comments at all. Various bands have been using AI and screens for 2+ decades while Maiden has stuck with curtains / tapestries that look great. Huge fan of the big screen and all the videos and animations for all the songs. For those complaining about AI, were you expecting them to film real mini movies for the screens, so something like Black Sails for Rime? I have not seen any complaining for 20 years of Maiden shirts having essentially a cartoon mascot Eddie.
Anxiously awaiting 2026 tour announcement.
PS - Metallica can’t hold a candle to Maiden, they have some good songs but the technical musicianship, themes, lyrics, and musics complexity are all JV vs Maiden. As well, Maiden has toured MUCH more extensively over the past 5/10/15 years so I don’t really care about Metallica playing in Dallas Cowboys stadium for 2 straight nights. All IMHO.
this whole video doesn't look like something made by an artist. It screams AI
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
I think you are conflating CGI graphics with generative AI, which are two completely separate things. Using CGI animation (what most of the animations they used on those screens) is absolutely fine and something they've experimented with since the 90s (at least in music videos).
Generative AI has not been around decades, it took off a couple of years ago. It's pretty much brand new technology, the way it is used currently, and it is often used at the expense of real artists. That's not cool.
Helmuth Von Moltke
Ancient Mariner
Its this kind of thinking that has been missing in Maiden's operation forever. Ever since they ended up with a gargantuan back catalogue and impossible setlist choices. Even one or two rotational slots would change a lot. As you write, equivalents could have been swapping one hit for another (eg. closing with Run to the Hills or Running Free, switching between them).
Instead, I think Maiden and Steve -- for all their immense talents -- actually just need the same exact setlist night to night to do their job. Spontaneity is not their strong suit as a band, maybe it compromises their sense of consistency in quality. That's my guess.
I think that Bruce actually likes to rotate songs and experiment with setlists. His solo tour showed us that he has a more rock 'n' roll approach to the subject. IMO Steve is the opposite. He sticks to the setlist that he had approved before the tour even started.
Helmuth Von Moltke
Ancient Mariner
I agree with that. I also disagree with Maiden's explanation that the stage show production blocks song rotation. Theres not reason not to leave one or two slots lighter on stage effects and open for rotation.
My thoughts exactly. The only thing they needed to make rotations possible was having a few backdrops more. Or even a "blank" backdrop. I saw them perform The Number of the Beast with the TFF backdrop (ME 2014), so I don't think it would have been a big problem for them
gazda
Ancient Mariner
Nobody is comparing Maiden to Metallica, we just talk about differente setlist approach. I like how some people can be triggered just in normal conversation, like small kids.
I watch the video during World Magentic Tour about it. So if Metallica plays in London they would check what songs they played in last few visits in London and 2-3 songs they would rotate assuming that people in audience want to hear something fresh.
If they are playing first time in some city it will be more classic set list song. Also sometimes they are doing special one time show with greats set.
As a hardcore Maiden fan I would like that Maiden are doing that, at least something. Beacuse of nature of my work I am missing out almost every tour and as a fan I would like to have some proper live album from tours, and we dont get that. Also I would like to have one night celebration of some album like they could play smaller show in London for 40th years on TNOTB and streamed it as pay per view event.
But from Maiden we are not getting anything for fans. Only video games and beer. And as a fan that is pissing me off.
I watch the video during World Magentic Tour about it. So if Metallica plays in London they would check what songs they played in last few visits in London and 2-3 songs they would rotate assuming that people in audience want to hear something fresh.
If they are playing first time in some city it will be more classic set list song. Also sometimes they are doing special one time show with greats set.
As a hardcore Maiden fan I would like that Maiden are doing that, at least something. Beacuse of nature of my work I am missing out almost every tour and as a fan I would like to have some proper live album from tours, and we dont get that. Also I would like to have one night celebration of some album like they could play smaller show in London for 40th years on TNOTB and streamed it as pay per view event.
But from Maiden we are not getting anything for fans. Only video games and beer. And as a fan that is pissing me off.
gazda
Ancient Mariner
It is not a problem in setlist, it is problem because you have Lars in Kirk in the band
Cant imagine how they would sound with proper drummer like Eloy.
onurb
Ancient Mariner
I don't agree with using AI instead of valuing art made by real artists. That wasn't the point of my comment. The comment was just to highlight the fact that they're always looking for something to complain about.
I don't think using AI is a good thing. I thought the sound of the band and the band itself were more important. But in fact the whole experience should be taken into consideration.
I apologize if the comment sounded different.