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I'll check it out later, thanks for sharing
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Thanks! More Chomsky below. Main plate is Finland & Sweden joining NATO and why this is, in his opinion, unnecessary.
I usually agree with 90% of what Chomsky says and this interview is no exception.
And as usual this goes way further than present Ukraine, as the list below:

0:41 Background of Russian invasion of Ukraine
4:50 Ukraine NATO Enhanced Program, heavy arms, military training
6:30 More EU countries joining NATO
7:30 Partnership for peace
9:00 NATO bombing of Serbia
10:00 Russia handing out Europe to the US.
15:00 Peace talks, non involvement of China and US in negotiations
19:30 Possible non aligned alliance between Russia and Europe.
20:45 Proxy war between US and Russia
21:55 Fossil fuels industry and military industrial complex in relation to the war on Ukraine
23:05 Risk of WWIII
24:00 US Military Aid to autocratic states and overthrow of foreign governments
27:00 Sanctions of Afghanistan
30:00 Britain Imperialism on India, slavery, narcotrafficking. How empires' wealth was made.

 
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“Kilgore Trout once wrote a short story which was a dialogue between two pieces of yeast. They were discussing the possible purposes of life as they ate sugar and suffocated in their own excrement. Because of their limited intelligence, they never came close to guessing that they were making champagne.”

#NeverForget
 
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The mobile game funding a revolution in Myanmar

Resistance to the military has come in many forms, including the development of an app-based game.
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This was pretty interesting to read, both for Apple and Google's policies on these sorts of politically charged apps, and for the fact that a free app with ads was making $500K+/yr for the revolutionaries...
 
Talk about poetic justice!

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Retired Chilean Army brigadier takes own life after conviction for 1973 murder of Víctor Jara

Hernán Chacón Soto, 86, had been sentenced to 15 years in prison for aggravated homicide and 10 years for aggravated kidnapping for the assassinations of the singer and Littré Quiroga
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Time to give this cracking album another spin:

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50 years on from Pinochet’s fascist coup d'état against a democratically elected government (Pinochet’s dictatorship was generously supported by Kissinger and Nixon, and later also supported by Thatcher - what a despicable collection of human beings), it seems that some of the perpetrators are finally facing justice.

That being said, it seems a couple of bastards are on the run:

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Two ex-soldiers convicted of Víctor Jara’s murder go on the run - Buenos Aires Herald

Raúl Jofré González and Nelson Haase Mazzei escaped after receiving 25-year jail sentences
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I'm not a Pinochet fan, myself.

But we also had this "democratically elected government" in '46 and '48 here in Czechia. Made us a full-blown satellite of the Soviet Union and fucked up our country so badly we still haven't managed to get out of the rut, more than 30 years after the fall of the regime. I really wish the US gave us their worst intervention then.
 
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JudasMyGuide said:
I'm not a Pinochet fan, myself.

But we also had this "democratically elected government" in '46 and '48 here in Czechia. Made us a full-blown satellite of the Soviet Union and fucked up our country so badly we still haven't managed to get out of the rut, more than 30 years after the fall of the regime. I really wish the US gave us their worst intervention then.
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They both suck. I swear every time I see someone complain about the "evils" of the soviet union, like no5 mentioned I just think of all of Latin America, and the Middle East and how well they're doing thanks to US intervention. Please note the sacarsm.
 
Yes, I thought about it after posting, it was unfair not to mention the rest of Latin America. @Onhell
Soviet time is over since 30+ years while Monroe doctrine is still going strong.
I read there were something like 200 regime changes attempts from US since the time they thought regime change is a good practice. Most of them failed or disastrous yet they still try.
 
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I read there were something like 200 regime changes attempts from US since the time they thought regime change is a good practice. Most of them failed or disastrous yet they still try.
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My favorite stories are all the failed attempts by the CIA to assassinate Fidel Castro, they're comical quality arises only from the fact they failed, but yeah, not so funny when they actually succeed.
 
Yeah, the U.S.'s history with Central and South America is consistently pretty shitty. Sorry about that.

I think Cuba is a special case given their proximity to the U.S. homeland and the whole missile crisis that almost started a thermonuclear war (granted, that was in the wake of the U.S. trying and failing to invade them, but still...), and I think the U.S. would have legitimate concerns over China potentially setting up military bases in the Gulf Of Mexico or on the Pacific coast of Central America; but in general I think the U.S. should be using the carrot as much as possible and only resorting to the stick when there's no other choice.

Speaking of which, we should really be looking to move as much U.S. manufacturing as possible from China, Vietnam, and Taiwan over to Mexico. No time zone issues, less of a language barrier, reduced shipping costs, and anything that benefits Mexico's economy and standard of living will help to ease illegal immigration on the southern U.S. border. So would broader use of U.S. work visas for the jobs illegal immigrants are currently filling. And if the U.S. legalized all drugs it would force the Mexican drug cartels to either fold or go legit, which would also be good for Mexico and all of North America.

Really, we should be hugging Mexico tight, helping them with the corruption and organized crime issues they're still working through, and fully bring them into the fold with Canada and the U.S. A prosperous and safer Mexico would be beneficial to everyone (though it might present Mexico with an even bigger illegal immigration problem on their own southern border).
 
A lot of the current migrants coming to the USA are coming through Mexico already, so it just logically follows that the USA should be trying to elevate economic conditions across the Americas.
 
Onhell said:
They both suck. I swear every time I see someone complain about the "evils" of the soviet union, like no5 mentioned I just think of all of Latin America, and the Middle East and how well they're doing thanks to US intervention. Please note the sacarsm.
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I come from a country that was literally under Soviet Union's thumb. Please don't use the quotation marks on the "evils". We had an antisystemic Communist political party during the First Republic where literally 1/4 of their budget was downright straight financed by Moscow. That party took power twenty years later. Not kidding, not exaggerating. Historical facts. How they came to power is a complex thing - for example, you had a Communist minister in a useful position handing out land and real estate to people - land taken from the Germans after WW2, in exchange for "friendliness" - again, this is a known, "official", provable fact. But I digress.

(also, read Orwell's diaries from the Spanish Civil War about how disillusioned he was, seeing as the "republican" side is becoming more and more controlled by Moscow.)

Maybe you want to say that Latin America and Middle-East are worse off than USSR ruled countries were. I wouldn't be really sure about that, that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying yes or no. But again, I live in a country that has the experience. I'm not comparing it, really, but yes, international Communism as we saw it was a pretty fucked up thing. VERY fucked up thing.

(And - to anyone else - if you're writing from the West, please mind your words about how you think it was living under a Communist regime, however left do you personally feel. Let's call it "West-splaining". Please don't West-splain to me. I've been done that before on the internet.)

Before this moved further, I was reacting to this.

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it may be the worst intervention
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(which it obviously wasn't since you yourself started talking about Afghanistan and Iraq and whatever immediately afterward)

I was, of course, being intentionally sarcastic, although while Pinochet was pretty terrible in many ways, I'd pick him over what we had any time of the day.

Also, I'll finish it with this: deposing "democratically elected" self-proclaimed Communist is a lamentable thing, apparently, at least according to Ghost of Cain. Would you feel the same about deposing "democratically elected" self-proclaimed Nazi president?

Maybe you're just about non-interventionism in general, okay, I respect that, I just wonder whether there might be some more bias or bent showing... because the interventionism was from both sides, definitely, but only one is being lamented here.
 
For what is worth, Salvador Allende represented the moderate faction of the Socialist Party of Chile, but this seems to be conveniently ignored by right wing propaganda…
 
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(which it obviously wasn't since you yourself started talking about Afghanistan and Iraq and whatever immediately afterward)
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It was the worst not in the sense of casualties but that Chile had clean and fair elections and Allende was honest and inspirational, just the not what US wanted so he had to go.
 
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Speaking of which, we should really be looking to move as much U.S. manufacturing as possible from China, Vietnam, and Taiwan over to Mexico.
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It would have made a great deal of sense. They were busy regime changing Latin America over those years instead of doing something so much evident and positive. Not only for Mexico, but for other Latin American countries.
 
Jer said:
Yeah, the U.S.'s history with Central and South America is consistently pretty shitty. Sorry about that.

I think Cuba is a special case given their proximity to the U.S. homeland and the whole missile crisis that almost started a thermonuclear war (granted, that was in the wake of the U.S. trying and failing to invade them, but still...), and I think the U.S. would have legitimate concerns over China potentially setting up military bases in the Gulf Of Mexico or on the Pacific coast of Central America; but in general I think the U.S. should be using the carrot as much as possible and only resorting to the stick when there's no other choice.

Speaking of which, we should really be looking to move as much U.S. manufacturing as possible from China, Vietnam, and Taiwan over to Mexico. No time zone issues, less of a language barrier, reduced shipping costs, and anything that benefits Mexico's economy and standard of living will help to ease illegal immigration on the southern U.S. border. So would broader use of U.S. work visas for the jobs illegal immigrants are currently filling. And if the U.S. legalized all drugs it would force the Mexican drug cartels to either fold or go legit, which would also be good for Mexico and all of North America.

Really, we should be hugging Mexico tight, helping them with the corruption and organized crime issues they're still working through, and fully bring them into the fold with Canada and the U.S. A prosperous and safer Mexico would be beneficial to everyone (though it might present Mexico with an even bigger illegal immigration problem on their own southern border).
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A friend of mine keeps telling me that the U.S is moving towards that, however slowly. There is much self-interest in it, but a lot of benefit for us and LATAM as a whole. Take our new tourist train "El Tren Maya." Sure we're parading it as a great way for tourists to get around, but the U.S sees it as an economic wall, central/south american immigrants crossing into Mexico are more likely to stay due to the jobs and industry created around it.
JudasMyGuide said:
I come from a country that was literally under Soviet Union's thumb. Please don't use the quotation marks on the "evils". We had an antisystemic Communist political party during the First Republic where literally 1/4 of their budget was downright straight financed by Moscow. That party took power twenty years later. Not kidding, not exaggerating. Historical facts. How they came to power is a complex thing - for example, you had a Communist minister in a useful position handing out land and real estate to people - land taken from the Germans after WW2, in exchange for "friendliness" - again, this is a known, "official", provable fact. But I digress.

(also, read Orwell's diaries from the Spanish Civil War about how disillusioned he was, seeing as the "republican" side is becoming more and more controlled by Moscow.)

Maybe you want to say that Latin America and Middle-East are worse off than USSR ruled countries were. I wouldn't be really sure about that, that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying yes or no. But again, I live in a country that has the experience. I'm not comparing it, really, but yes, international Communism as we saw it was a pretty fucked up thing. VERY fucked up thing.

(And - to anyone else - if you're writing from the West, please mind your words about how you think it was living under a Communist regime, however left do you personally feel. Let's call it "West-splaining". Please don't West-splain to me. I've been done that before on the internet.)

Before this moved further, I was reacting to this.


(which it obviously wasn't since you yourself started talking about Afghanistan and Iraq and whatever immediately afterward)

I was, of course, being intentionally sarcastic, although while Pinochet was pretty terrible in many ways, I'd pick him over what we had any time of the day.

Also, I'll finish it with this: deposing "democratically elected" self-proclaimed Communist is a lamentable thing, apparently, at least according to Ghost of Cain. Would you feel the same about deposing "democratically elected" self-proclaimed Nazi president?

Maybe you're just about non-interventionism in general, okay, I respect that, I just wonder whether there might be some more bias or bent showing... because the interventionism was from both sides, definitely, but only one is being lamented here.
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Look, we can play who had it shittier all day. I can tell you about our 70 year one party dictatorship, the massacre of college students at the hands of the army in 1968, the assassination of journalists and activists, how the narco violence that ravages the country is directly tied to U.S intervention as far back as the 1860s etc. At the end of the day, again... they both sucked nuts.
 
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During the Greek civil war US army generals were pretty much dictated to Greek army what to do, similar with what is happening today in Ukraine, but quite worse as they ordered to throw untested napalm bombs to the leftish rebels. Yes, napalm bombs were first tested on humans thrown to communist leaning Greeks by west leaning Greeks under US orders.
The interesting detail here is that the vast bulk of the resistance to Nazis was held by the communist leaning Greeks, so go figure.

After the end of civil war in 1949, millions of leftist Greeks had to leave to Germany, Russia & Australia as they needed certificate of political beliefs to find a job, while many Nazi collaborators took positions of power in the newly established democracy.
In the meantime there were still political and official executions up to 1955 for reasons such as protesting the Korean war. Communist party was illegal all that time and up to 1974, but the instability was growing strong and in 1967 there was a US backed coup d'etat and a junta regime that lasted 7 years.

After the restoration of democracy things started to get better, entering EU and easily accessible money in 1980s and by mid 1990s people were euphoric for Greece being with the West and on the right side of the history.
Then in 2010 all those easy accessible money hit back with one of the worst crisis we can remember.

Not nearly as bad as in Latin America but we had our fair share of being fucked by the US, especially from 1945 -1974*.

*Something that still exists and reminds us those days is that nearly every protest in Athens ends up in front of US Embassy hahaha go figure. :D
 
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