Official Football Thread

Yep, if the Croatia wanted less extra time, then they should have spent less time on that too-early-party.

About the Germans, that's unbelievable indeed:

Since their penalty shootout loss to Czechoslovakia in Euro 76, Germany has not lost a penalty shootout in major international tournaments. In fact, the last penalty missed by a German player dates back to the semi-finals of the 1982(!) world cup when French goalkeeper Jean-Luc Ettori saved Uli Stielike's shot.
 
Talking about luck: The Croatians were not less lucky, since Rüştü made a huge blunder.

Yeah right...how about couple of 100% chances we missed? When you hit a post from 3 m distance, there's no skill involved. It's instinct and reflex. If you miss...you got unlucky. We were several times.

Yep, if the Croatia wanted less extra time, then they should have spent less time on that too-early-party.

And i wouldn't mind extra time if Rosetti permitted our substitution, he had stopped game twice, but hasn't allowed it. Besides, there's an UEFA rule that says that extra time doesn't have stoppage time (did you see fourth referee saying one minute yesterday? no you didn't because he didn't).

Ok, Rosetti, go for one minute. But if there's an free kick on the center of the field in 120:55...

A lot of things were against us yesterday, luck was on Turkish side. They are coming on as the next Greece. If they win this thing, i'm going to stop watching EURO completely. Who's the 2012 winner? Cyrpus?
 
Zare said:
Yeah right...how about couple of 100% chances we missed? When you hit a post from 3 m distance, there's no skill involved. It's instinct and reflex. If you miss...you got unlucky. We were several times.

I surely remember that huge chance, unlucky indeed.
 
Forostar said:
In fact, the last penalty missed by a German player dates back to the semi-finals of the 1982(!) world cup when French goalkeeper Jean-Luc Ettori saved Uli Stielike's shot.

Whaaat ? :eek:  Forostar, you've just wasted an excellent random trivia question  :p

A lot of things were against us yesterday, luck was on Turkish side. They are coming on as the next Greece.

Greece never won something in penalties process mind you, and except the match with Czechs the rest of matches
Greeks won them CLEAR and NET-not in the last minute...Also Croatia is not France, especialy with Zidane inside.
So Turkey will never become the next Greece. Besides, Turkey will never take that cup.

You are sad Zare, I understand, but if Croatia couldn't break a more than mediocre Turkish defence during 90' don't blame luck.
 
I'd be more afraid of a Turkish squad with an ability to come back in the last minutes than a Greek squad that can run with a game surprisingly.  Croatia walked into the match and acted like they'd already won.
 
So tonight at least 100.000 Dutch and 10.000 Russian supporters are expected in

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I'm looking forward to this game as hell!

Quarter-final 3: Netherlands v Russia

Netherlands coach Marco van Basten is set to revert back to his favoured starting XI after resting a host of players last time out against Romania.

That could mean only Khalid Boulahrouz - who will play despite the death of his prematurely-born baby daughter - and Arjen Robben keep their places.

Ruud van Nistelrooy, Andre Ooijer and Dirk Kuyt will all return to the side.

Russia coach Guus Hiddink will name an unchanged line-up to the one that beat Sweden 2-0 in their final group game.

That victory was inspired by Andrei Arshavin, the Zenit St Petersburg playmaker who had been suspended for the first two group games - a 4-1 defeat to Spain and a narrow 1-0 win over Greece.

"I don't think we needed to score that many goals in the Swedish game," said Arshavin. "We needed to save them for the next games and I hope we will score a few against the Dutch.

"If we didn't have to play the Netherlands, we would feel much better, because I think they are the best side here.

"But fate has it that we have to play the strongest team in the tournament in the last eight. I hope we will be able to match them."

Russia's performance in the win over Sweden prompted many observers to predict a possible upset against the Dutch, despite the Netherlands' 100% record in the tournament so far.

The match has a further twist, in that Russia coach Hiddink is a Dutchman, and led Holland to the semi-finals of the World Cup in 1998.

And Hiddink, who will reportedly earn a £400,000 bonus for leading Russia into the last eight, will hope to avenge Russia's defeat to the Netherlands in the final of Euro '88.

The Netherlands, though, have been in superb form in this Championship, beating World Cup winners Italy 3-0, World Cup finalists France 4-1, and then Romania 2-0 with a side largely made up from fringe members of the squad.

Netherlands have announced that the players will wear black armbands in the quarter-final against Russia after Boulahrouz's prematurely-born daughter died earlier this week.

Meanwhile, the Netherlands' Nigel de Jong and Andre Ooijer, and Russia's Ivan Saenko, Dmitry Torbinsky, Denis Kolodin, Andrei Arshavin and Sergei Semak, are all a booking away from missing a potential semi-final clash with either Spain or Italy.

BIG MATCH STATS

Head-to-heads

Holland have won four of the previous eight confrontations. Russia have won twice and two matches ended in a tie.

All three competitive encounters have been in European Championship finals. In 1988, the Soviet Union beat Holland 1-0 in their opening group match before losing the final 2-0. In 1992, when Russia took part as the CIS, this match ended in a 0-0 draw in the group stage. Current Dutch coach Marco van Basten played in all three of those matches. His only goal was a memorable strike in the final of 1988 to put Holland 2-0 up.

The most recent meeting was a friendly in February 2007 that resulted in a 4-1 victory for Holland.

* Head to head records and significant meetings

Team facts - Netherlands

Now reached the knock-out stages in six consecutive European Championship finals, which is a competition record.

Been knocked out at the quarter-final stage only once; in 1996 with Guus Hiddink at the helm, they suffered a 5-4 defeat on penalties to France.

After beating Italy and France in Group C, Holland can now claim the scalp of a third former winner of this tournament by beating Russia.

Seven different Dutch players have scored at Euro 2008 which equals the record for most different goalscorers from a team in the tournament history.

They have now scored nine times, which is five short of the competition record set by France in 1984. Their +8 goal differential is the highest by any team in the group stage in the history of this tournament.

* Nations with the best goal difference from European Championship finals group stages

Van Basten has now won 35 of his 51 matches in charge of Holland. He needs two more wins to equal Bob Glendenning's record of 37 wins as Holland manager.

Been shown just two yellow cards this tournament, fewer than any other team.

Team facts - Russia

Survived the group phase for the first time since 1988, when they took part as the Soviet Union and finished runners-up to the Netherlands.

Trying to become only the second nation to win this tournament despite losing their opening match, following in the footsteps of the Netherlands in 1988.

Coach Guus Hiddink has maintained his 100% progression record at major tournaments (two European Championships, three World Cups). In his only previous European Championship finals, he was eliminated in the quarter-finals by France (1996).

Hiddink has faced his native country twice before as a coach, both times in a friendly. In June 2006, Holland drew 1-1 with Hiddink's Australia. In February 2007, he suffered a 4-1 defeat with Russia against the Netherlands.

Player facts - Netherlands

Edwin van der Sar looks set to play in his 16th match in European Championship finals, equalling the all-time record set by France's Lilian Thuram earlier this tournament.

Nigel de Jong and Andre Ooijer are one yellow card shy of a suspension.

Player facts - Russia

Roman Pavlyuchenko has taken 18 shots on goal (nine on, nine off target) in the group stage, more than any other player.

Igor Akinfeev is the goalkeeper with most saves (21) to his name after the first round of matches.

If selected, Roman Adamov will be playing on his 26th birthday.

Sergei Semak will win his 50th cap for Russia, if he takes the field. He made his debut in a 1-0 defeat to Italy on 15 November 1997.

Denis Kolodin, Dmitriy Torbinskiy, Ivan Saenko, Andrei Arshavin and Sergei Semak are one yellow card shy of a suspension.

Big Match Stats source: Infostrada Sports
 
Well Foro, i hope that Russia wins tonight...i like Holland's playing, they're attractive, efficient, and are probably the best team on the championship, but i was always sympathetic with Russia (on many other things also), so i'll be supporting them.

You could put it as some Slavic brotherhood bullshit  :D
 
A bit late on this one, but here goes,

Eddies Wingman said:
A question for Perun: A Swiss TV station had displayed the lyrics to the national anthem of Germany during the last match of group B. The problem was they displayed the lyrics to the first stanza ("Deutschland, Deutschland über alles ...") instead of the third one which is usually sung. To the point: A Norwegian newspaper (Dagbladet) described this as that the Swiss had shown "Nazi lyrics" and I reacted to that. I mean, the song was written even before Bismarck unified Germany and I understand that the first stanza calls for German unity, not German world domination.

The question is: Is the first stanza generally viewed as "Nazi"? Is the stanza useless because the Nazi leaders used it - even though it was really written long before Nazism existed at all?[/quote]

Yes and no. The lyrics are not banned, but they are tabooed. 90% of the people who sing the lyrics of the first verse are indeed nazis. The problem with the lyrics are not only that they use the phrase "Deutschland Deutschland über alles", which would be bad enough, but because the lyrics explicitly make geographic references to borders that are not German anymore- "from the Maas to the Memel" (Maas, a river in The Netherlands, Memel a river now in Lithuania), "from the Etsch to the Belt" (Etsch, Adige, a river now in northern Italy, Belt, an island group now in Denmark). And yes, this verse was so heavily abused by the nazis that it technically burned. The third verse is much more like what Germany wants to stand for today anyway (unity, right, freedom- a catchphrase that suddenly became as relevant in 1949 as it was in 1848).

Another thing I reacted to was that one of the Norwegian TV commentators dubbed Michael Ballack "Der Führer" during the match between Portugal and Germany ... now, that is nasty.

That is indeed nasty. "Führer" is indeed a common German word, but even in Germany, if someone says "der Führer", if used without specification, everybody knows who you are talking about. Non-Germans always use it to refer to that certain man.

EDIT: I should add that most Germans who refer to Hitler as "der Führer" (at least without irony) today are nazis too.
 
Pretty sure that everyone knows who Der Führer refers to, and it's a hint of a mean thing to say about someone.

Unless, of course, they are bent on the destruction of the Jewish race and obtaining lebenstraum on the eastern marches.  Then it might be accurate.
 
Thanks for the input, Perun - interesting to hear what a German thinks of this. By the way, have you found a silent place to hide for the rest of the tournament yet?

@Zare: I thought it was the Serbs that felt most connected to Russia, but you Croats perhaps feel you have more in common with Serbia than they think in other parts of former Yugoslavia? I have seen some Youtube vids today of Bosnians celebrating the Turkish win - so I guess the Bosnians feel more bonded to Turkey, or is it just because they played Croatia? By the way, which nations of the former Yugoslavia get on with each other and which of them don't? It seems like at least Slovenia manage to stay out of the pool of boiling blood ...

@Forostar: Great match preview. I wish both teams good luck and as I have mentioned earlier, I wish the team winning tonight to win the entire shit. May the match be as good as your preview  :p
 
Bye bye Holland. Some of our defenders were a bunch of c**nts!

The Russians surely deserved their win. Hats off...

Eddies Wingman said:
I wish the team winning tonight to win the entire shit.

I will support Russia 100%. Great squad, very dangerous attackers, I'd love see them winning the entire shit as well.

This Arshavin was so freaking good... I mean, who the fuck is Maradona?
 
Forostar said:
Bye bye Holland. Some of our defenders were a bunch of c**nts!

The Russians surely deserved their win. Hats off...

I will support Russia 100%. Great squad, very dangerous attackers, I'd love see them winning the entire shit as well.

This Arshavin was so freaking good... I mean, who the fuck is Maradona?
Well said. Russia were very good, and should really have won in normal time. But they need to sort out their defending, especially from set pieces.

Is Guus Hiddink the best ever international manager? Although he's never won anything, he always seems to take a team further than they should go, best shown by taking South Korea to a World Cup semi final (albeit with some luck) and now Russia to another semi. I really would have liked to see him become England manager - didn't he take over at Russia about the same time as McClaren at England? We missed out on something there.
 
Zare said:
Turks had all luck in the world today. We missed couple of 100% chances, they equalized in 122 minute, altrough time was already up when the game was stopped due to offside, referee permitted one last action, which resulted in panical goal.

Modric, Rakitic and Petric are known as great shooters. They missed penalties.

Now i'm supporting Russia.

Don't blame lack of luck.  Blame the Croatian team for a lack-luster performance.  Just when I praised Bilic he dropped the ball.  After Klasnic gave a terrific performance versus Poland with less support and less play time than any of the other forwards, the Croatian coach decides to make Olic the starter.  Olic choked on many occasions versus Turkey and Klasnic scored the Croatian goal.  If Mario Gomez had been watching that game he'd surely have thought about Olic: "What a relief, someone messed up an easier opportunity than I".  The penalties have nothing to do with it.  After the goal, I'd have thought that Bilic would train the players to think of the '2 minute rule' when counter goals are usually scored especially with the way Turkey has been playing their last two games.  Also kudos to Modric who looked the best player out there out of them all.  Still, they're a young team and will hopefully learn from this mistake.


LooseCannon said:
I'd be more afraid of a Turkish squad with an ability to come back in the last minutes than a Greek squad that can run with a game surprisingly.  Croatia walked into the match and acted like they'd already won.

That's been the problem of Croatian football teams in the last 8 years.  It is not a cliche when commentators always remind the viewer that Croatia always play a better game as underdogs. 
national acrobat said:
Is Guus Hiddink the best ever international manager? Although he's never won anything, he always seems to take a team further than they should go, best shown by taking South Korea to a World Cup semi final (albeit with some luck) and now Russia to another semi. I really would have liked to see him become England manager - didn't he take over at Russia about the same time as McClaren at England? We missed out on something there.

He has to be.  His records speak for themselves.  As I've mentioned this two years ago, I think Australia got screwed in their match against Italy.  If Italy beats Spain (and the way my predictions in these quarter-finals have been going -- they will) they'll play Hiddink's Russia.  I hoping Russia beats either team, but especially if Italy makes it for a deal of sweet revenge. 

I'm hoping for a Germany-Russia final so that they can again meet each other in World Cup qualifications.  That would be sweet to see!  Also that match up would be the most exciting.  Turkey has been bleeding bit by bit and, after their game versus Croatia, have more injuries and suspensions.  And Italy is too defensive for my liking.  So I'm hoping for Germany vs Russia.
 
national acrobat said:
Is Guus Hiddink the best ever international manager? Although he's never won anything, ....

You probably mean that he has won nothing with a country, but he won a few things as a club coach for PSV Eindhoven. You probably know that but I still would like to post his list:

PSV Eindhoven:
European Cup 1 (old Champions League):
1987/1988

Eredivisie (national competition):
1986/1987, 1987/1988, 1988/1989, 2002/2003, 2004/2005, 2005/2006

KNVB Cup (national cup):
1987/1988 1988/1989 1989/1990 2004/2005


I'd like to see Spain meeting Russia again.  :D
 
I didn't have an idea of how good Russians can be. And this magician Arshavin.....I mean does anybody knew him before ?
Damned, he is 27 years old and he don't play in Chelsea, nor in Real Madrid, not even Manchester United or Internationale
-HOW IS POSSIBLE ?

Now Russia will have a lot of supporters for its next match, that normally will be with Italy
I would like to see Spain don't shit it up  :) for one time, but apparently it hasn't have win Italy in a neutral place since 1920  ::)
But yet, traditions do not exist for ever
 
Some players don't really shine until they've played half their professional career - Arshavin is one of them, it seems. I read this morning that Arsenal were interested, I'm sure there are more clubs checking him out now.

Russia were really good yesterday. However, the first half was quite close to the scenario I suggested before the game - neither team dared to really go for it. Kind of a nervous atmosphere, both on the pitch and in the stands. Fortunately it opened up in the 2nd half, which was good. And I couldn't be more pleased when van Nistelrooy equalized - that meant 30 more minutes of football. At that point I was fairly neutral with regards to which team I wanted to win, but I saw the same as everyone else - the Russians were more up for it yesterday,

Over to tonight's game, Spain haven't beat Italy in a tournament for a very long time. Also, they have never won a tournament match on June 22nd (take a look at the calendar, folks). But any bad statistics are there to be improved, aight? I'd certainly like to see Spain win rather than Italy. I hope for Russia now, but if they should fail I go with Spain.

I want to hear the Russian national anthem twice more (three more times if it's also played for the winner after the final).
 
I want to hear the Russian national anthem twice more (three more times if it's also played for the winner after the final).

You mean the Soviet anthem  :D
 
Hehe, in any case it's a beautiful song, musically. I don't dig anthem lyrics much because they're all same.
 
Like the lyrics to the Marsailles.

"We surrender 'cause our name is France
Please don't hurt us, we give up!"
 
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