Unpopular Maiden Opinions

chaosapiant

Ancient Marinade
Speaking of VXI and BNW, I've always had the opinion that Brave New World is just VXI 2.0. It's better produced and Adrian and Bruce are back on it, but a lot of the songs have the same feel between the two albums. Dream of Mirrors sounds straight up like a VXI song. So does Blood Brothers and the title track. That's not a bad thing, if anything it highlights how good the actual writing on VXI is, and how much better it'd have been with someone to reign Steve in and properly produce it.

Edit: Also, welcome to the forum Mr Myles! I dig the avatar! VXI isn't high on my list of favorite Maiden albums, but I still adore it and am happy there's someone here to wave a flag for it.
 

Collin

Chasing Ponce De Leon's Phantoms
Speaking of VXI and BNW, I've always had the opinion that Brave New World is just VXI 2.0. It's better produced and Adrian and Bruce are back on it, but a lot of the songs have the same feel between the two albums. Dream of Mirrors sounds straight up like a VXI song. So does Blood Brothers and the title track. That's not a bad thing, if anything it highlights how good the actual writing on VXI is, and how much better it'd have been with someone to reign Steve in and properly produce it.

Edit: Also, welcome to the forum Mr Myles! I dig the avatar! VXI isn't high on my list of favorite Maiden albums, but I still adore it and am happy there's someone here to wave a flag for it.
In my rankings VXI is a 5.9 and Brave New World is a 9.6. I hear no similarities and that is a good thing.
 

chaosapiant

Ancient Marinade
I can hear some similarities in some of the song construction, especially Blood Brothers, but I think a lot of it was reworked and improved. And I say that as someone who quite likes VXI.
That's basically all I'm saying. BNW is the superior album, but I think it ties a lot closer to VXI in song structure than most people give it credit for. If VXI was less repetitive, had better production, song ideas from Adrian and Bruce as well as their musical contributions, it would basically just be BNW. And that's not meant to knock it, if anything I like VXI and think it had a lot of great ideas that needed to be refined.
 

Osmium

Prowler
Hullo, I'm a new member. This isn't really an 'unpopular' opinion per-say - but there's really no where else for me to post this presently since apparently I'm not allowed to make threads at this point.

Anyway, whenever I listen to 'Hallowed Be Thy Name', I'm becoming more and more convinced that the song was written when Paul Di'anno was still in the band and the song was meant for his vocal style. The rhythm that the verses are presented in, I can imagine really clearly Di'anno spitting them out. I've never seen anyone else notice or mention this before so I'm not sure if I'm hilariously off the mark here. I'm not a total Maiden expert so I don't know when 'Hallowed Be Thy Name' was officially written and I can't really find a date for it.

I'd like to hear other's responses to this and perhaps I can get some more info on when the song was actually written. Thanks guys and glad to be here!
 

KidInTheDark666

What's yours is mine and what's mine is mine too
Hullo, I'm a new member. This isn't really an 'unpopular' opinion per-say - but there's really no where else for me to post this presently since apparently I'm not allowed to make threads at this point.

Anyway, whenever I listen to 'Hallowed Be Thy Name', I'm becoming more and more convinced that the song was written when Paul Di'anno was still in the band and the song was meant for his vocal style. The rhythm that the verses are presented in, I can imagine really clearly Di'anno spitting them out. I've never seen anyone else notice or mention this before so I'm not sure if I'm hilariously off the mark here. I'm not a total Maiden expert so I don't know when 'Hallowed Be Thy Name' was officially written and I can't really find a date for it.

I'd like to hear other's responses to this and perhaps I can get some more info on when the song was actually written. Thanks guys and glad to be here!
Interesting theory, but I'd say that it's highly unlikely.
 

Niall Kielt

Pulled Her At The Bottle Top
Anyway, whenever I listen to 'Hallowed Be Thy Name', I'm becoming more and more convinced that the song was written when Paul Di'anno was still in the band and the song was meant for his vocal style.
Hello and welcome!

The thought had never crossed my mind but now that you say it I can hear it. I suppose the best that we will get is seeing Dickinson do it in his Di'Anno outfit of leather trousers and a white frilly shirt on the current tour. There are others more qualified than me to answer this in terms of dates/history but as far as I know, NOTB was all written pretty close to the recording time, like a couple of weeks before recording. It's not inconceivable that Harris already had some idea for the song while Di'Anno was still in the band or that he had a Di'Anno style delivery in mind considering he had worked with the same singer for the past 4 years.
Personally, I don't think Steve would alter a song based on the singer. He has lyrics and a melody and its the singers job to make it work (or not). If it was written in the Di'Anno days he may have thought "Paul will sound great on this" but I doubt that he would alter anything to fit the singer.
 

LooseCannon

Yorktown-class aircraft carrier
Staff member
Welcome @Osmium! Make yourself at home.

Really interesting take on the song. It's entirely possible that Steve had it in mind for awhile! Bruce, mind you, certainly made it his own.
 

chaosapiant

Ancient Marinade
Yea, at least based on the biographies I read, NotB was a daunting album because they used up all the songs they’d written and had to write from scratch. Doesn’t mean that Steve didn’t have those riffs kicking around thoug.
 

karljant

Ancient Mariner
We're talking about the 15th and 14th place in my Maiden albums rank: Respectively VXI and BNW. That being said they're really distinct records with really different virtues and defects.
I do think that BNW had the potential to be an awesome album. IMO It features great passages but it suffers from a handful of problems within the majority of its tracks. Repetitive structures (BNW and DOM despite featuring some great moments kinda go round in circles) great sections tarnished by awful passages (once again BNW - chorus - and DOM - intro), discombobulated and forced song structure in long tracks like the aforementioned and GOTN or even TTLBLAH's excessive outro (It should at 6.20 mins IMO), combined with "borrowed" riffs (Nomad, GotN and Wicker Man) and a couple of fillers really hold the final outcome down. And man it has superb moments: The Wicker Man is absolutely great if one makes an effort to forget Priest's Running Wild (that chorus and outro are top notch !), GOTN has some amazing passages (not a fan of the chorus and following bridge but appart from that...), BNW is simply beautiful until that uninspired repetitive chorus kicks in and the whole thing starts chasing its own tail, Blood Brothers is a really powerful and emotional waltzy journey, OOTSP is a great song and TTLBLAH is simply my favorite song of the whole thing (even regarding the overlenghted outro).
On the other hand to spot VXI's wins and fails are easily detectable track by track. Futureal is a great track with lots of energy and well balanced. The Clansman is not Rime Of The Ancient Mariner or other classic Maiden Epic but it sure is an excellent composition. The Educted Fool has a great, solid build with a great chorus. Como Estais Amigos is cool quiet act to close the album and Lightning Strikes Twice also has its charm. The problem is the remainder of the tracks: TAATG is... well... TAATG. WTWC is absolutely dull and uninteresting and DLTTEOAS is an utter clusterfuck. Plus Blaze's delivery is a bit subpar compared with Bruce's singing.
So yeah... although being just one position behind BNW in my rank, VXI could never pass it because it has no more potential regarding composition than the one it presented. BNW's a different case. It could be easily a top 10 maiden album wasn't it for the defects that IMO it suffers from.
 
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Black Abyss Babe

Quantum weather butterfly
Speaking of VXI and BNW, I've always had the opinion that Brave New World is just VXI 2.0. It's better produced and Adrian and Bruce are back on it, but a lot of the songs have the same feel between the two albums. Dream of Mirrors sounds straight up like a VXI song. So does Blood Brothers and the title track.
There's a reason for that:
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-guitarist-admits-band-used-leftover-ideas/

By the way, this has been discussed before on this forum:
 
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