Piece of Mind album - on Bass

Discussion in 'Musicians Discussion' started by Welsh Phantom, Jan 22, 2016.

  1. Welsh Phantom

    Welsh Phantom Ancient Mariner

    Here are my bass covers of the Piece of Mind album for anyone interested

    Four albums down....only another 12 albums to decipher and learn!

    Please feel free to comment..... all feedback welcome :)

    1. Where Eagles Dare

    2. Revelations

    3. Flight of Icarus

    4. Die with your Boots on

    5. The Trooper
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  2. Welsh Phantom

    Welsh Phantom Ancient Mariner

    6. Still Life

    7. Quest for Fire

    8. Sun and Steel

    9. To Tame a Land
  3. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    Very nice! I specifically watched Quest to show my son how Steve changes his pattern during the harmony. That's such a cool part, when he first plays along with the guitars and then does his "own" bass line.
  4. Welsh Phantom

    Welsh Phantom Ancient Mariner

    Thanks Foro ;)

    Never understood how this song is considered filler just because the lyrics are not factual.....so many songs by Maiden are fiction also!
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  5. Welsh Phantom

    Welsh Phantom Ancient Mariner

    Thanks mate.

    No, this is purely for fun (and the challenge of course!)
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  6. Hey Welsh. Love your covers dude :)
  7. Welsh Phantom

    Welsh Phantom Ancient Mariner

    Thanks mate ;)

    Been a bit busy lately, but finally started to learn the next album. First 3 songs learnt, working on FOTB next :)
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  8. farren

    farren Prowler

    Your videos are very inspiring. I signed up here to ask a favor of you...

    I'm a long-time guitarist who just started playing bass a few weeks ago. I want to work on one player at a time... I started with David Ellefson with the reasoning that, well, I'm already familiar with fretting technique and picking technique, so in learning all of Rust in Peace I could focus solely on getting used to the extended scale and wider string spacing of the bass guitar and not have to worry about left or right hand technique much--just orientation. That worked out well, and now I'm ready to move onto something new in plucking.

    Could you list the songs from Piece of Mind in order of ascending difficulty? I can learn anything by ear, but would really appreciate if you could give me an order in which to tackle them so I don't inadvertently start with the hardest song and become discouraged. I know Steve isn't the easiest player to hone my two-finger plucking with, but my fretting hand is already at a high level so I think I'll be advantaged in only really having to focus on my right hand.

    To be honest, my favorite Maiden albums are Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son, but since you're not there yet it might not be wise to ask you to order the songs from those albums, unless the difficulty level is obvious to you as an experienced bassist even if you haven't learned all the songs yet. If that's the case, it would be great if you could list some of those songs too. :)

    Anyway, I'd really appreciate if you could give me a sort of song order to work on. I just want to replicate some of my favorite bassists before I branch out on my own and I think this is a decent place to go next--I know learning a couple dozen '80s Maiden songs on guitar as a kid was beneficial to my development.
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  9. The Flash

    The Flash Dennis Wilcock did 9/11

    Welsh Phantom might have a different take on this, but I'd say:

    Revelations, Flight of Icarus, Still Life, Where Eagles Dare, Die with Your Boots On, The Trooper, Quest for Fire, Sun and Steel, To Tame a Land

    Revelations, Icarus and Still Life all have moderate tempos, easier to keep up. They also don't have triplets in them. Eagles has the middle part with lots of stoppages, but other than that pretty easy. DWYBO is easy from an endurance standpoint but has a couple of fills thrown onto it. Trooper is full on galloping, but the song structure is simple. QFF has a more complex rhythm to its gallop. Sun and Steel is absolutely rapid, even though it's short takes a bit of endurance. TTaL has the most difficult part on the album to get right: The mid section.
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  10. farren

    farren Prowler

    Thank you! I'll start with Revelations.
  11. Welsh Phantom

    Welsh Phantom Ancient Mariner

    Yes, I would start with Revelations or Icarus. I would probably say Boots on is not so hard and would rate it before Eagles (fast right hand at times) and Still LIfe (some quick 'across strings' parts)

    If you want to learn Somewhere in Time songs (at some stage) I would recommend nailing The Trooper also, as the gallop is deceptively difficult with 2 fingers, and the Trooper is a slower example of this. Caught Somewhere in Time is FAST for 2 fingers, so I had to do The Trooper, then Run to the Hills, then Sun and Steel. Now I can play CSIT with 2 fingers after a warm up, but I could not even get close until I had built up speed and stamina with Trooper, RTTH and SAS.

    I only know CSIT and Wasted Years from SIT album. Wasted years is pretty easy (although my older cover on youtube is not 100% perfect (only after hearing the 'isolated bass' tracks available on youtube) so I will redo that when I tackle the whole album,

    Thanks for watching my covers! ;)
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  12. farren

    farren Prowler

    Thanks, looks like I have a good lesson plan now. :p Caught Somewhere in Time is actually my favorite Maiden song (first I heard that stood out to me as a kid), so it may be an ultimate goal for me. Looking forward to Powerslave.
  13. soundwave

    soundwave Educated Fool

    No doubt. Plus, Steve's also running around on stage and has pyrotechnics, lights and all that other stuff going on on top of that.
  14. Welsh Phantom

    Welsh Phantom Ancient Mariner

    Thank you mate ;)
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2016
  15. Welsh Phantom

    Welsh Phantom Ancient Mariner

    Yeah, sometimes I wish he would run less and play more though. If you listen to some of the isolated bass tracks available on youtube his playing can get very sloppy on the more recent live versions, with a lot of parts simplified to the studio versions, or quite a few errors. His playing live in the earlier decades was definitely more accurate before he had football stadium size stages to run around on!
  16. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    But have you heard isolated tracks from earlier decades? Perhaps he often sounds sloppy without a drummer? ;)
  17. Welsh Phantom

    Welsh Phantom Ancient Mariner

    Yeah I hear what you are saying, but he never used to be like this.

    In this example (Aces High), as soon as the singing would start in the verse he just stays on the 'E', rather than putting in the 'D' ghost note (D E EE EE , D E EE EE etc). And the bit around 50s is just SO sloppy. I have some good sounding bootlegs from the earlier days and he clearly played the parts as written, not simplified versions.

    Another example would be the 'bass solo' part after the solos in NOTB. There is an isolated bass version on youtube (album version) and there are plenty of ghost notes, but live these days he just plays the main 4 or 5 notes (you can see it clearly in the various dvds out there). Maybe Harry feels they got lost anyway in an arena setting, but his style live has changed.

    He is still my favourite bass player though.....just saying ;)
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  18. soundwave

    soundwave Educated Fool

    Yeah, when I started to poke around on some of the isolated tracks, I realized that he's human. You're right that he doesn't seem to be play as many ghost notes and runs as he used to. That's a good example above that you posted.

    Having said all of that, in a live arena setting, most of these are inaudible for the super majority of people (myself included). The one thing I love about Harris (and Geddy) is that I can actually hear him in an arena...unlike 90% of other rock/metal bass players.
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  19. Welsh Phantom

    Welsh Phantom Ancient Mariner

    Oh there is no doubt they always play live - 100%.

    Not so sure about a mid to low range cut though. You can hear the same notes clearly in the chorus parts, plus on the dvd of Flight 666 you can see he makes no attempt to play ghost notes.

    I just think on smaller stages, for Harry it was all about the Bass. Now it is all about the show and the energy.

    As a bassist I prefer the former, but that is just my subjective opinion. :)
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  20. WP, thanks for sharing these. I've seen your videos on YouTube but didn't realize you post here.

    I'm learning how to play all of "Piece of Mind" on bass too. At this point I can play the first eight songs confidently. I still struggle with "To Tame A Land", which (for me) is probably the toughest Maiden song. I can't play the riff at 4:05, and I always lose steam during the section starting at 4:38. So I can play the first 42 minutes of the album and then fall apart during the last three.

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