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Onhell

Infinite Dreamer
portermoresby said:
Finished reading Hermann Hesse's Steppenwolf. A winner! It gets trippier and trippier, and some readers might judge Hesse's writing as too ornate and poetic (bordering on so-called purple prose at times) but his empassioned, almost obsessive introspection and the surrealistic plot twists sure keep the novel moving.

I liked Hesse's writing. I don't like his twisting of Nietzchian philosophy or ignorance of religious concepts, but other than that, he's a fun read.
 
Onhell said:
I liked Hesse's writing. I don't like his twisting of Nietzchian philosophy or ignorance of religious concepts, but other than that, he's a fun read.

There's very little that annoys me in literature (bad writing aside, of course) but yeah, he gets a bit too spiritual for me. That's why I didnt' really enjoy Siddharta that much, even though I feel close to characters who look for their own way to life instead of following other people's teachings.

A girlfriend of mine is going to send me a couple books, one of them is called "The Glass Crystal", that's my next read.
 

Mosh

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1984 and Animal Farm. I've already read Animal Farm but revisiting it will be fun. I've been looking forward to reading 1984 for awhile.
 
The Knife Master said:
1984 and Animal Farm. I've already read Animal Farm but revisiting it will be fun. I've been looking forward to reading 1984 for awhile.

I have to read Animal Farm. 1984 is brutally powerful. I love that book. If you haven't already, I suggest you watch Michael Radford's movie.

Does anybody know any novels in which zodiac signs and astrology play a part or are at least referenced in some significant way?
 

Mosh

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I don't, but I'd love to hear about some.
 

Onhell

Infinite Dreamer
portermoresby said:
I have to read Animal Farm. 1984 is brutally powerful. I love that book. If you haven't already, I suggest you watch Michael Radford's movie.

Does anybody know any novels in which zodiac signs and astrology play a part or are at least referenced in some significant way?

Um... An account of the Zodiac Killer?
 

LooseCannon

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portermoresby said:
Does anybody know any novels in which zodiac signs and astrology play a part or are at least referenced in some significant way?

I recommend that you pick up any old astrology book. After all, it's all fiction.

:ninja:
 

Onhell

Infinite Dreamer
In all seriousness, if you can find an English Translation of Calderon de la Barca's La Vida es sueno (Life is a Dream), it has somewhat to do with astrology. It's from the 16th century when protestantism was growing and de la Barca, being a good Catholic, thought he'd defend Free Will against the Protestant idea of Predestination (he misunderstood it just a tad), but essentially it is the individual defying what is "written in the stars."
 

national acrobat

Ancient Mariner
I've recently finished reading Sophie's World, by Norwegian author Jostein Gaarder. It's a philosophical novel, and I think probably aimed at teenagers - but that doesn't mean I found it very easy to read. Anything about philosophy I generally find interesting but difficult, and this was no different. Even though it's constructed as an introduction to philosophy (within a novel) this sort of stuff goes into my brain, registers as understood, and then I can't recall it the next day. Other than that, it's a very good book with an interesting story (evolving into two stories) interweaved around the philosophy.
 

Dr. Eddies Wingman

Brighter than thousand_suns
I remember reading that book when I actually was a teenager (think it was back in 98, so I was 16). It was an interesting read, but I remember I thought it was quite awkward at times.
 

Onhell

Infinite Dreamer
I loved that book! I also read it when I was 16 or so and I'm actually bothered that I can't find my copy as I want to reread it... I guess I'll have to purchase it again... Great book, though, had an Alice in Wonderland feel to it.
 
Onhell said:
In all seriousness, if you can find an English Translation of Calderon de la Barca's La Vida es sueno (Life is a Dream), it has somewhat to do with astrology. It's from the 16th century when protestantism was growing and de la Barca, being a good Catholic, thought he'd defend Free Will against the Protestant idea of Predestination (he misunderstood it just a tad), but essentially it is the individual defying what is "written in the stars."

I'll look for that one, whether in English or in Spanish! Thank you.
LooseCannon said:
I recommend that you pick up any old astrology book. After all, it's all fiction.

:ninja:

Well, you're right. It's just that I'm interested in fiction that has to do with esoteric matters... satanism, astrology, alchemy, secret societies etc. So that's why I asked. I like to read about those subjects in non-fiction settings too, but lately I feel more comfortable with fiction.

I do believe there might be some sort of truth in astrology. I don't believe in predictions, though. That kind of "today you'll meet the love of you your life" crap definitely sucks.
 

Onhell

Infinite Dreamer
Oh, if you can find in the original go for it, but be warned that it will be reading the equivalent of Shakespearean English...

Speaking of astrology fiction I'm reminded of one of my favorite Canterbury Tales. I forget who tells it, but it is one of the "low" tales where this old carpenter has a hot young 18-year-old wife who EVERYONE has the hots for. This astrologer from out of town stays with them and he immediately wants to jump her bones, but she's all like, "I totally want to, but my hubby might see us." "I'll take care of it," he says and tells the carpenter this elaborate tale of how he saw it in the stars that a second flood was coming and they needed to hoist tubs up high to merely float on the waters that will come and everybody needed to be in individual tubs. The old fool believes him and while he is sleeping in his tub the astrologer is banging his wife lol.

The church clerk comes to serenade her and asks her for a kiss, she says, "alright" and sticks her ass out the window. The clerk kisses her ass and complains about how hairy her "face" is and later realizes it was her hair ASS, he leaves to get a hot poker and says, "oh could I have another kiss?" and she's like 'ok' but the astrologer sticks his ass out this time and the clerk asks where she is, because it is too dark to see. At that point the astrologer farts and the clerk sticks the hot poker in his ass. HAHAHAHAHA, hilarious story :)
 

bearfan

Ancient Mariner
About half way through with Ghettostadt: Lodz and the Making of a Nazi City.  Interesting book about the effort to colonize this city in the 1940s. 
 
Angel said:
Oh, if you can find in the original go for it, but be warned that it will be reading the equivalent of Shakespearean English...

Speaking of astrology fiction I'm reminded of one of my favorite Canterbury Tales. I forget who tells it, but it is one of the "low" tales where this old carpenter has a hot young 18-year-old wife who EVERYONE has the hots for. This astrologer from out of town stays with them and he immediately wants to jump her bones, but she's all like, "I totally want to, but my hubby might see us." "I'll take care of it," he says and tells the carpenter this elaborate tale of how he saw it in the stars that a second flood was coming and they needed to hoist tubs up high to merely float on the waters that will come and everybody needed to be in individual tubs. The old fool believes him and while he is sleeping in his tub the astrologer is banging his wife lol.

The church clerk comes to serenade her and asks her for a kiss, she says, "alright" and sticks her ass out the window. The clerk kisses her ass and complains about how hairy her "face" is and later realizes it was her hair ASS, he leaves to get a hot poker and says, "oh could I have another kiss?" and she's like 'ok' but the astrologer sticks his ass out this time and the clerk asks where she is, because it is too dark to see. At that point the astrologer farts and the clerk sticks the hot poker in his ass. HAHAHAHAHA, hilarious story :)

LMFAO. That got me howling with laughter ahahah!

I've had trouble reading Dante's Divine Comedy for exactly the same reason: the Italian he used to compose it (called Vulgar) is like a cryptic surrealistic language compared to modern Italian. So I think I'll get Life Is Dream either in English or Italian! Thanks for the suggestion and for the great tale LOL.

(I think I'll get the Canterbury Tales too)
 

Onhell

Infinite Dreamer
So I FINALLY finished Straw Dogs by John Gray and it was a really good read. Whether you agree, disagree it is a MUST read. He blasts every modern notion, from our faith in progress to Christianity to Atheism and secular humanism. And  for such a dark, depressing and sobering book it ends on an oddly positive note. Now, I'm paraphrasing here, because I left the book  in my car, but the quote goes something around the lines of, "We must strive for peace without hoping for a world without war and we must cherish freedom while understanding that it is a stage between anarchy and tyranny."

Pick it up!
 

Mosh

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I will definitely be looking for that one once I finish Animal Farm/1984
 
Onhell said:
So I FINALLY finished Straw Dogs by John Gray and it was a really good read. Whether you agree, disagree it is a MUST read. He blasts every modern notion, from our faith in progress to Christianity to Atheism and secular humanism. And  for such a dark, depressing and sobering book it ends on an oddly positive note. Now, I'm paraphrasing here, because I left the book  in my car, but the quote goes something around the lines of, "We must strive for peace without hoping for a world without war and we must cherish freedom while understanding that it is a stage between anarchy and tyranny."

Pick it up!

I think I will get that one too.

I'm still looking for good alternate history or dystopian novels and I found The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood. I think I'm going to read this one next.
 
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