Actually I don't think it's a good idea to even play Senjutsu at LOTB. Better save those 10 minutes for something more energetic.
I saw...six (six? Vegas, Montreal, London, London, Chicago, Toronto, yeah six) six different shows on this tour in three countries and the only time the crowd wasn't into IESF was Toronto, which was definitely the most boomer audience of them all. Montreal was fucking hot for the band, but that is because it's the best metal city in Canada and the USA. London was good both nights. Chicago was good, Vegas was good.Disagree. I can picture a crowd singing the Senjutsu chorus but when I saw them on TBOS tour there was total silence during IESF.
I travelled to Canada from the UK in 2019 to see Maiden, and the Toronto show (second night) was probably the best I've ever seen them! The Budweiser centre is a great venue.I saw...six (six? Vegas, Montreal, London, London, Chicago, Toronto, yeah six) six different shows on this tour in three countries and the only time the crowd wasn't into IESF was Toronto, which was definitely the most boomer audience of them all. Montreal was fucking hot for the band, but that is because it's the best metal city in Canada and the USA. London was good both nights. Chicago was good, Vegas was good.
Another benefit IESF has is that its actually a good song.I'd say that If Eternity Should Fail has a much more audience-friendly chorus than Senjutsu (plus a fast instrumental bridge).
Not mine but I still dont like it as a song, not one bit, no sir. And I say this as a Leonard Cohen fan.Have attention spans dropped suddenly?
The way you're all describing it makes Senjutsu sound like a Leonard Cohen song ffs. The song rips. Those thunderous drums and Adrian's epic riffs and Bruce's soaring vocals on the chorus. It's possibly the best song on the album and I'm astonished that folk find it boring. Have attention spans dropped suddenly?
Laughable.They will not do a full proper album tour. Because they know Senjustu is a bit rubbish and it will be 3 or more years old before they can tour it. They will have moved on emotionally. They will probably do a new album at some point between now and the end of the LOTB tour and then just tour that in 2023 or whenever.
I'm a Leonard Cohen fan but the point I'm making is that his stuff is hardly exciting isn't it?It has nothing to do with attention spans dropping. I quite like the song but I do not think it will be a great one to open the set with.
On a related note, Leonard Cohen was fantastic.
Hell Awaits is slow?! Eh?I remember the two first Slayer gigs I attented in the early 90s. The first one opened with Rain in Blood. A massive bang, everyone going nuts. The second one opened with Hell Awaits: a fantastic heavy song, but way too slow to make one explode with enthusiasm. And those moments have a big input on how you live the whole gig.
I don't think a single person, myself included, has stated that Senjutsu would open the show with the same kind of "boom" as say Aces High. It's like we keep moving the goalposts. The song is good (imo) and more than good enough for a concert opener. Additionally, Bruce himself, who I'd assume would be a better authority on what would and wouldn't work in a live context believes it to be a strong opener. And that's all anyone is saying: that it'll be a strong opener. It's not going to replace the classics, it's going to be its own thing and will likely work within that paradigm.I sometimes have problems understanding opinions on the forum. Not the difference, but where are they coming from. Senjutsu has an anti-verse between 4:15 and 5:15 (1 minute!) that's actual complete drop in dynamics and pace compared to any section preceding it. If you think that entire arena is going to sing this slow, anthemic-anemic part just 5 minutes into the show. This part is the slowest main part (not counting acoustic intros and alikes) Maiden does in its entire show. This part has slower pacing than Blood Brothers which is a mid set ballad.
But the biggest problem I have with it as opening/fierce track is its reliance to the meter. Simply kicking up a notch somewhere won't work as seamlessly as it works in Wicker Man, Aces High, TNOTB or even short non openers like Trooper.
It can open the show, but it will be more proggy type of opening, more of a visual effects/atmosphere type of a track than a straight out boom like Aces High, Wicker Man, or any of the other typical openers.
I don't want anybody thinking anything bad, but if you're kind of a fan that gets same type of energy and internal drive out of Aces High and Senjutsu, you're not appropriate for the metric. It's like having a "this is great" reaction to any meal served in front of you. Nothing against that, I certainly appreciate that you enjoy everything put in front of you, but most people don't.
Also keep in mind that average maidenfans.com concert goer will be in the fan sections or around fans. Elsewhere is different - I zoomed around one of the shows because I had several bunches of friends on different spots. Different parts of arena reacted differently to the TBOS material.
You will definitely see a "reaction" once first few minutes of Senjutsu pass and the novelty of show opening boom and that drum groove wears off on the general audience that doesn't know the song or the lyrics. Apart from the sporadic solo, there's nothing further in the track to hook them. If you think that 5 minutes in, half of arena is going to sing that slow part with hands in the air you're extremely fan-biased.
I didnt say it was to please fans. Its just a thought I have, I wouldn't bet on it and it could well turn out to be as wrong as most speculation on this forum.Laughable.
Maiden have never not done an album tour and won't start now just to please a minority of "fans" who don't like the album.
Don't get me wrong, Senjutsu as a song is fine, I enjoyed hearing Maiden do something genuinely different, and I can see the idea that the whole drum intro thing would make it a good opener. But it's just too slow, too low energy, and too long! At 4 minutes in you've basically heard all the song has to offer, but it keeps plodding on repeating itself for another 4 minutes.
There is every indication they are doing some sort of senjutsu tour next year. In fact Bruce this week still confirmed playing it in full is still the plan.I didnt say it was to please fans. Its just a thought I have, I wouldn't bet on it and it could well turn out to be as wrong as most speculation on this forum.
I would totally get it if they felt detached from the material considering the gap between recording and any potential tour start date (surely 2023) and considering that Bruce Bruce said they were ready to do another album before they even released Senjustu (assuming that he was saying true things). Its not beyond the realms of possibility. Im not a fan of the album (yet) but I would still happily pay to see them play it in full. Because I'm a 'fan,' as you put it.
You say Maiden have never not done an album tour. Thats a fact. You say they wont start now. Thats speculation. They also have never started an album tour 3 years after an album was made. Maiden regularly do things they have never done before.
And Im glad you got a laugh from my post, its my modus operandi.