GhostofCain
Ancient Mariner
I wholeheartedly agree on the Brian Robertson influenced bit!
Guitar solos - Senjutsu
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I wholeheartedly agree on the Brian Robertson influenced bit!
Jeffmetal
Ancient Mariner
Only the last one is Jan's. All other four is Dave's.
I've been reviewing the solos and the last one seems a bit like Davey 'cos Jan holds some notes, but, the vibrato is what gives it away. On the other hand, the one before, also, has the ending vibrato wild, but, has that countour, a smoothness that only Dave does.
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Kalata
Out of the Silent Planet
''The Time Machine'' (along with ''Shadows Of The Valley'' and ''The Mercenary'') are the only songs written by Janick (since the reunion) that are not title tracks and contain more than 1 solo... in BNW song's case, Janick is even without a solo!
Poto
Ancient Mariner
At first I thought you said Janick doesn't have a solo on Brave New World. I had to read it three times before I understood what you meant
Detective Beauregard
Independent as a hog on ice
Anyone know which guitarists are panned to which speaker for each of the songs? Rhythm too. I love trying to pick out those crunchy Adrian riffs.
Kalata
Out of the Silent Planet
Curious fact: ''The Parchment'' (along with ''For The Greater Good Of God'') are the only epics since the reunion (with more than one solo) in which the first solo is played by Janick.
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Forostar
Ancient Mariner
What do you find an epic song?
Kalata
Out of the Silent Planet
For me an epic is when the song is 8+ minutes long and contains a long instrumental section. In this case, it's a long song with more than one solo.
Edington
Last Son of The Miracle
So the solo structure in Death of the Celts has always been a little odd to me (still great!), and I think I may have uncovered something interesting. Here are the approximate times of each solo:
- Adrian First: 4:18 - 4:44 = 26 seconds.
- Janick: 6:55 - 7:22 = 28 seconds.
- Dave: 7:23 - 7:36 =13 seconds.
- Adrian Second: 7:37 - 7:50 =13 seconds.
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
I really don't get what the above has to do with the below:
Why were they all supposed to take short solos? What does it have to do with needing another one? Another what one? And why? And what has this to with bridging two halves of the song?
You could as well have said that apples were present, but did they need carrots to overcome the pears?
I'm not making fun of your post Edington, I just don't get your connections.
Edington
Last Son of The Miracle
No problem, I didn't see it that way. I was just spitballing and speculating here and that doesn't always translate well to text. Perhaps the rant thread next time.
Let me try and explain it a little better. I was curious as to why Dave gets less time to solo on this song than Adrian and Janick, so I wondered if originally the song was written with the three guitarists taking a shorter solo each, beginning with Janick, and no other solos. Then it was decided during recording that another solo was needed to connect the two halves of the song together, so Adrian took that. Then, maybe Janick had composed a longer solo which Steve liked and decided to keep, resulting in Janick and Adrian getting more solo time overall.
The timing thing is probably simply a coincidence, but I did find it mildly interesting, and that's what started all these conspiracy theories in the first place.
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
Thanks for elaborating a bit more, Edington. I think that the solo sequences could differ in time because they are played over different progressions, having different length.
Look at The Writing in the Wall. Adrian is soloing much longer, because that piece is much longer (apparently it was thought that the length was fine). Making the Dave piece longer because he needs more solo time is not a purpose on itself. The purpose is having a good song in which the pieces should have a good balance, in length. The solos are secondary. Two solos of such length would feel over the top. Not important: Dave's solo is done over less variation of music than Adrian's which features more chords in the progression. Solo it would feel very weird (and monotone) to have Dave's piece that long.
Interesting to note that there are two song halves in Death of the Celtes and that a solo connects these. So, does Adrian start his last solo when the second half of the song starts? I never heard it this way, or thought like this, so I'd like to check it out. In fact it has been a very long time since I played the album.
(just taking a long break for some reason; it's not that I don't like it)
Look at The Writing in the Wall. Adrian is soloing much longer, because that piece is much longer (apparently it was thought that the length was fine). Making the Dave piece longer because he needs more solo time is not a purpose on itself. The purpose is having a good song in which the pieces should have a good balance, in length. The solos are secondary. Two solos of such length would feel over the top. Not important: Dave's solo is done over less variation of music than Adrian's which features more chords in the progression. Solo it would feel very weird (and monotone) to have Dave's piece that long.
Interesting to note that there are two song halves in Death of the Celtes and that a solo connects these. So, does Adrian start his last solo when the second half of the song starts? I never heard it this way, or thought like this, so I'd like to check it out. In fact it has been a very long time since I played the album.
(just taking a long break for some reason; it's not that I don't like it)
Murder of Rue Morgue
Educated Fool
The timing is not a coincidence as in the first solo the tempo is half the tempo in the other three.
For the rest, check this video:
Janick's solo and the two subsequent solos have different rhythm guitar parts.
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Another reason for my thinking of Parchment as Powerslave II.
Poto
Ancient Mariner
Janick alone has three solos in The Parchment better than Dave's solo.