GREATEST METAL ALBUM CUP - Winner: Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son!
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Black Sabbath the song > all of Sad Wings. There, I said it.
srfc
Ancient Mariner
Dio v Helloween - An easy tie, I think this Helloween album is ok, it get's some bonus points from being an influential album in it's subgenre, but that subgenre doesn't appeal to me. Holy Diver on the other hand is choc-ful of classic tracks sung by one of the best in the business with a great band backing him.
Dio with the win
Judas Priest v Black Sabbath - The ultimate clash between the two most important early Heavy Metal albums. Sad Wings is a good bit better. Black Sabbath is a great album but was pretty much recorded in one take over the course of a day or so, and ultimately that shows in some of the vocals and noodling solo parts. Sad Wings has Epitaph which sounds like an even shitter version of Eleanor Rigby, but everything else is brilliant.
Judas Priest with the win.
Dio with the win
Judas Priest v Black Sabbath - The ultimate clash between the two most important early Heavy Metal albums. Sad Wings is a good bit better. Black Sabbath is a great album but was pretty much recorded in one take over the course of a day or so, and ultimately that shows in some of the vocals and noodling solo parts. Sad Wings has Epitaph which sounds like an even shitter version of Eleanor Rigby, but everything else is brilliant.
Judas Priest with the win.
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You guys are fucking lame
Kalata
Out of the Silent Planet
The first matchup is tough, but Holy Diver is one of the best debut albums ever and Dio's singing makes it perfect. I must say, I like Part 1 of the Keepers albums more (the classics in Part 2 are: Eagle, Stein, Time, Out, the title track).
My second vote is for Sad Wings Of Destiny (Victim, Ripper, Tyrant, Genocide... all great) - I like it more than the debut album of Black Sabbath.
My second vote is for Sad Wings Of Destiny (Victim, Ripper, Tyrant, Genocide... all great) - I like it more than the debut album of Black Sabbath.
MrKnickerbocker
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Dio
Priest
Both albums in the second match are legendary, but Victim of Changes is better than anything on BS (not to mention the other great songs on Sad Wings).
Priest
Both albums in the second match are legendary, but Victim of Changes is better than anything on BS (not to mention the other great songs on Sad Wings).
SixesAlltheway
Ancient Mariner
The A side of Black Sabbath is one of the strongest in their catalog but the B-side (with the two only so-so cover songs on it) really brings the album down for me. Paranoid is the first album full of all excellent songs and no filler stuff like cover versions or jams to fill out record time.
Detective Beauregard
Leviathan of Doggerland
I've never been a fan of bands putting cover songs on their albums. As B-sides or bonus tracks or whatever, fine. Or as an all-covers album like Metallica did, fine. But not on an album proper. It just screams "we don't have enough ideas."
Saapanael
Ancient Mariner
I think there are cases where covers are good enough to put on albums. Judas Priest’s “Diamonds and Rust” and “Better By You...” come to mind. The latter got them in a lot of trouble, though.
Black Bart
Ancient Mariner
In Black Sabbath's case, though, you have got to remember that they recorded the album in one day, they might have wanted to keep and polish one or two ideas of their own for the next record.
Diesel 11
As you scream into the web of silence...
I agree. I think it depends on the artists though, if they can do some original with a cover then why not? But it usually means for a worse album experience overall.
Saapanael
Ancient Mariner
What the frick, really?
srfc
Ancient Mariner
The first Sabbath album I ever got was the 1 CD version of We Sold Our Souls for Rock N'Roll. Warning is on there but it's only the last 3 minutes of it, and I'm just so used to that I can never really enjoy the full version of it.
The_7th_one
Ancient Mariner
Helloween (Although I hate Dr. Stein) & Black Sabbath
Boy, that top matchup is interesting. Helloween leading by one!
Black Bart
Ancient Mariner
From Wikipedia:
"According to Black Sabbath's guitarist and founding member Tony Iommi, the group's debut album was recorded in a single day on 16 October 1969. The session lasted twelve hours. Iommi said: "We just went in the studio and did it in a day, we played our live set and that was it. We actually thought a whole day was quite a long time, then off we went the next day to play for £20 in Switzerland." (Black, Johnny (14 March 2009). "Black celebration: the holy grail of Black Sabbath". Music Week. Archived from the original on 5 March 2012. Retrieved 7 September 2013.)"
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They probably couldn't afford much studio time. I'd say the strategy worked out for them.
Holy Diver is certainly a candidate for my favourite album ever.
Strong and varied songwriting, great sound and album sequencing, deep, well-performed (Campbell is on fire) and the best singer in the history of the genre.
Not sure how you could have improved it.
Strong and varied songwriting, great sound and album sequencing, deep, well-performed (Campbell is on fire) and the best singer in the history of the genre.
Not sure how you could have improved it.
JudasMyGuide
The resident reactionary recalcitrant
My heart's not really in the game anymore, but
Helloween, because of Dio's cover art and because about a third of the tracks do nothing for me, whereas with Helloween I mostly enjoy pretty much all the tracks at least somewhat. Dr. Stein might be stupid, but it's memorable and it's fun, which I can't say about Gypsy...
...wait, what?
Heh, anyway, one of the worst tracks either of them ever wrote.
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#noJP. Because of the unbridled adoration, because of Opeth and because I think I'll pick the band without any nonces, thank you very much. Wait, there's Alan Moore on the drums on Sad Wings instead? Didn't he write Lost Girls? Well, as I was saying...
Helloween, because of Dio's cover art and because about a third of the tracks do nothing for me, whereas with Helloween I mostly enjoy pretty much all the tracks at least somewhat. Dr. Stein might be stupid, but it's memorable and it's fun, which I can't say about Gypsy...
...wait, what?
Heh, anyway, one of the worst tracks either of them ever wrote.
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#noJP. Because of the unbridled adoration, because of Opeth and because I think I'll pick the band without any nonces, thank you very much. Wait, there's Alan Moore on the drums on Sad Wings instead? Didn't he write Lost Girls? Well, as I was saying...