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There are multiple facets to this endeavour. A one of a waning alliance, a one of a growing adversary, individual states' military economics and cooperation programs, and further changes in inter-EU power balance.
As an example, Croat might be somewhat invested in fluctuations from U.S. politics regarding U.S. involvement and position on the Balkans, he might be less interested about direct conflicts with Russia, he might look brightly on the topic of our army getting better capabilities for less $ in newly formed tighter alliance, and he might not care at all about who gets to be a powerhouse economy behind the new army.
As we move from region to region and from country to country these things change.
Italians/Spanish and other big but not biggest economies might be worried that this will further elevate France and Germany as 'leaders' of the EU.
Some countries are simply neutral by definition and some countries have a significant Russian population.
In order for this to work, it needs to have a clear goal for a decade to come. Or else we would be talking about yet another military cooperation program which are frequent even in between various NATO members. Whether EU army has its own barracks or it's comprised out of parts from sovereign armies, it will have its own chain of command.
Personally I'm on the reserved 'yes' side, with the sovereign armies model. I do believe that even without NATO if EU member gets attacked everyone else would help. This would just make the organization easier. But we do need checks. In future if some Trump/Brexit/Bojo thing happens to a big EU army constituent, the others need a safeguard from a potentialy braindead move by some 'democratically elected leader'.
There is another variable that's being left out of the discussions and that's the power projection status of France. Out of all EU countries France is the only one with nuclear triad, zones of influence accross another continent, etc. I don't know enough about what they do, and if it's compatible with co-leader position of new EU army. The foreign policy of both entities should match 100% in that case.
What's your opinion?
As an example, Croat might be somewhat invested in fluctuations from U.S. politics regarding U.S. involvement and position on the Balkans, he might be less interested about direct conflicts with Russia, he might look brightly on the topic of our army getting better capabilities for less $ in newly formed tighter alliance, and he might not care at all about who gets to be a powerhouse economy behind the new army.
As we move from region to region and from country to country these things change.
Italians/Spanish and other big but not biggest economies might be worried that this will further elevate France and Germany as 'leaders' of the EU.
Some countries are simply neutral by definition and some countries have a significant Russian population.
In order for this to work, it needs to have a clear goal for a decade to come. Or else we would be talking about yet another military cooperation program which are frequent even in between various NATO members. Whether EU army has its own barracks or it's comprised out of parts from sovereign armies, it will have its own chain of command.
Personally I'm on the reserved 'yes' side, with the sovereign armies model. I do believe that even without NATO if EU member gets attacked everyone else would help. This would just make the organization easier. But we do need checks. In future if some Trump/Brexit/Bojo thing happens to a big EU army constituent, the others need a safeguard from a potentialy braindead move by some 'democratically elected leader'.
There is another variable that's being left out of the discussions and that's the power projection status of France. Out of all EU countries France is the only one with nuclear triad, zones of influence accross another continent, etc. I don't know enough about what they do, and if it's compatible with co-leader position of new EU army. The foreign policy of both entities should match 100% in that case.
What's your opinion?
