Bruce talks not detuning the songs

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naranja

Ancient Mariner
Since this gets brought up here sometimes, here's Bruce saying they will never do it. Never seen this before.

It is what it is, there's no point detuning now anyway, they're right at the end. Poor old Blaze could have done with it though.


 
Standard Brucey blustering. I think he's wrong to tar detuning with the same brush as backing tracks and I don't believe making adjustments for the natural decline in vocal ability that comes with age makes a live show less 'authentic'.

But he's clearly never going to change his stance at this point so it's a futile arguement. :lol:
 
I’m going to repeat myself, but I don’t care.

I run two primary school choirs. Now I might not be the best choir director in the world, but the first thing I do when I want to do a new song with the kids is find the right key. If I ploughed ahead in the original key of some pop songs, it would be too low or high for them. It would make me look unprofessional for not acknowledging this. Also I have to acknowledge there are songs that are just too hard for them.

Now I know downtuning is only a limited form of transposition, but it is the right thing to do for rock band as the singer’s voice ages. I love Bruce, but his arrogance and stubbornness is insufferable on topics like this. You think the man who has spent years working on his craft would get this. Maybe Steve is the most influential on this topic.

Also, authenticity is such a bollocks words that is thrown around in the music industry. Just an excellent marketing tool.
 
Ascendingthethrone said:
I’m going to repeat myself, but I don’t care.

I run two primary school choirs. Now I might not be the best choir director in the world, but the first thing I do when I want to do a new song with the kids is find the right key. If I ploughed ahead in the original key of some pop songs, it would be too low or high for them. It would make me look unprofessional for not acknowledging this. Also I have to acknowledge there are songs that are just too hard for them.

Now I know downtuning is only a limited form of transposition, but it is the right thing to do for rock band as the singer’s voice ages. I love Bruce, but his arrogance and stubbornness is insufferable on topics like this. You think the man who has spent years working on his craft would get this. Maybe Steve is the most influential on this topic.

Also, authenticity is such a bollocks words that is thrown around in the music industry. Just an excellent marketing tool.
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As usual, the voice of reason.
 
Ascendingthethrone said:
I’m going to repeat myself, but I don’t care.

I run two primary school choirs. Now I might not be the best choir director in the world, but the first thing I do when I want to do a new song with the kids is find the right key. If I ploughed ahead in the original key of some pop songs, it would be too low or high for them. It would make me look unprofessional for not acknowledging this. Also I have to acknowledge there are songs that are just too hard for them.

Now I know downtuning is only a limited form of transposition, but it is the right thing to do for rock band as the singer’s voice ages. I love Bruce, but his arrogance and stubbornness is insufferable on topics like this. You think the man who has spent years working on his craft would get this. Maybe Steve is the most influential on this topic.

Also, authenticity is such a bollocks words that is thrown around in the music industry. Just an excellent marketing tool.
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Yeah bullshit he’s talking from the position of someone who has maintained his voice at incredible standards.
I agree with you. It’s more of a Harris issue of inadequacy and stubbornness, Bruce would follow.

The whole thing reminded me the “you can’t play heavy metal with synthesizers” haha yeah right!

Also kudos to you for you running two school choirs!
 
Aye its just the typical Bruce stubbornness, ego and arrogance.

Who cares that I've clearly been unable to hit some of the high notes for a decade?

I'm more interested in bragging about doing a sub standard job in the original tuning than dropping down a step and knocking it out the park every night.
 
"Detuning is not authentic" is an incredibly moronic take by Bruce.

Transposing a song doesn't affect the authenticity in any way. Hell, Maiden have transposed Lord Of The Flies in 2003, so he's contradicting himself. Or how about Mother Of Mercy, which he couldn't sing in the original key and was dropped a whole step? Is the album version not authentic? He's just boasting with this truly obnoxious bravado that betrays how vapid his response actually is. He's just pandering to a certain subset of his audience going "yeah, we're the real deal, not like those other posers!".

Sorry Bruce, but Maiden would sound so much better if they adjusted the tunings somewhat. There's a reason the last 30 years of Bruce's solo albums feature a ton of downtuned and extended range guitars. He knows it, but he's too proud. 100% pure bullshit by Mr. Dickinson in this instance.

Trevoire said:
Aye its just the typical Bruce stubbornness, ego and arrogance.

Who cares that I've clearly been unable to hit some of the high notes for a decade?

I'm more interested in bragging about doing a sub standard job in the original tuning than dropping down a step and knocking it out the park every night.
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But you see, they are perfectionists! :D
 
Of course they should have detuned

However part of me wonders if it's only Bruce's ego and stubbornbess that helps him still be able to, mostly, do a good job on these songs in their original key at his advanced age. Like he refuses to let age beat him.

Like I thought he sounded tremendous on CSIT live
 
naranja said:
Of course they should have detuned

However part of me wonders if it's only Bruce's ego and stubbornbess that helps him still be able to, mostly, do a good job on these songs in their original key at his advanced age. Like he refuses to let age beat him.

Like I thought he sounded tremendous on CSIT live
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"A good job" is debatable and very much subjective. He's been straining like hell on the highs B4s in The Trooper and Hallowed for a decade and a half at this point. Same with Aces High in 2022, which is unlistenable to me. His ego didn't shield my ears from what I had to endure :P
 
____no5 said:
Yeah bullshit he’s talking from the position of someone who has maintained his voice at incredible standards.
I agree with you. It’s more of a Harris issue of inadequacy and stubbornness, Bruce would follow.

The whole thing reminded me the “you can’t play heavy metal with synthesizers” haha yeah right!

Also kudos to you for you running two school choirs!
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Thanks! It’s good fun and working with kids is great.
 
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