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Van Halen (Roth era) vs Van Halen (Hagar era)

Discussion in 'Best of / Worst of Polls forum' started by Yax, Oct 29, 2014.

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Which era do you prefer?

  1. Roth era

    19 vote(s)
    67.9%
  2. Hagar era

    5 vote(s)
    17.9%
  3. Neither. Cherone era smoked both.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. I'm not that familiar with Van Halen, but Roth sang Jump and Panama, so I vote Roth

    1 vote(s)
    3.6%
  5. I'm not that familiar with Van Halen, but Hagar is a bad ass singer who outsings Roth in his sleep.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Van Halen? Isnt that a soda pop brand?

    3 vote(s)
    10.7%
  1. Yax

    Yax Ancient Mariner

    Some consider the respective outfits to be too different for a just comparison to be made. I myself don't agree with that sentiment, because similarly, the same thing could be said about Judas Priest with Ripper, Maiden with Blaze and Black Sabbath with anybody but Ozzy.
     
  2. mckindog

    mckindog Living for Sanctuary from the law Staff Member

    Hagar is a far superior singer and (in their heydays) less of a rock star douche.
    But the band kicked more ass with Diamond Dave.
     
  3. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    Roth era is classic. Hagar was good but more inconsistent.

    But if the question was Roth vs Hagar in general...Hagar all the way.
     
  4. SixesAlltheway

    SixesAlltheway Yacht Rock

    I'm not that familiar with Van Halen, but Roth sang Jump and Panama, so I vote Roth

    ...Pretty much nailed it. I know of Van Halen, but never really wanted to explore them any more than what I know, which is Roth stuff I guess.
     
  5. SinisterMinisterX

    SinisterMinisterX Illuminatus Staff Member

    Hagar by a mile. It was nice to hear the band with a real singer, an actual musician. Roth was fun but stupid.
     
  6. SixesAlltheway

    SixesAlltheway Yacht Rock

    Sammy Hagar? :p
     
  7. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    No, the viking obviously. :p
     
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  8. Yax

    Yax Ancient Mariner

    Sums it up pretty neatly. I generally feel, as though Van Halen with Roth, the songs were great. But, it was like a great instrumental backing track with some guy from a bar rambling over it.
     
  9. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    I just like a few songs. I haven't heard a lot but the stuff I did hear didn't make me excited to explore further (I don't think this voting option was available so I just put it here). There were one or two nice discoveries in the top 10 of the last survivor that we did though. But I don't think these songs were that representative. Forgot the titles but I could look them up.
     
  10. Night Prowler

    Night Prowler ɹǝlʍoɹԀ ʇɥƃᴉN Staff Member

    Hagar is the better singer but his era in the band is so much weaker than Roth's. Also can't stand anything Hagar did outside VH whereas Roth has some good solo songs.
     
  11. mckindog

    mckindog Living for Sanctuary from the law Staff Member

    Van Halen was rare in its ability to mix innovative and interesting guitar parts with Beach Boys-calibre pop hooks.
    This underrated gem is a fine example. Dismiss the lyrics and the melody all you want, but the variety of guitar parts is incredible and the fact they are packaged in what, at first blush, appears to be a pop song blows my mind.



    Plus, they are Holland's biggest contribution to rock music. :p
     
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  12. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    Looked up the songs I like a lot:

    Panama (superb suspenseful part after the (wilder) solo)
    I'll Wait (great melancholical melodies)
     
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2014
  13. SinisterMinisterX

    SinisterMinisterX Illuminatus Staff Member

    Does that include "I've Got the Fire" and "Space Station No. 5", both covered by Maiden? (Hagar was the singer for Montrose.)

    "I've Got the Fire" starts at 4:45.
     
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2014
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  14. eddie666

    eddie666 Trooper

    :nuts:Roth. Couldn't stand the others.
    VH remind me of Ducati in Moto GP. They build a monstrous bike which one guy(Casey Stoner/DLR) can ride the wheels off and win the world championship. Others come along and either wobble around at the back(Valentino Rossi/Hagar) or can't take a bend(everyone else/bloke from Extreme).
     
  15. bearfan

    bearfan Ancient Mariner

    Roth by a zillion miles. Van Hagar was not very good at all. Dave's solo stuff was much better than any of the Van Hagar albums
     
  16. bearfan

    bearfan Ancient Mariner


    How about this one

     
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  17. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    Thanks for the clip. This song is more lighthearted than the other two though (less deep, less suspense) and the melodies aren't that good either.
    Cool unexpected end by the way!
     
  18. Yax

    Yax Ancient Mariner

    Check this. My favorite Van Halen tune.

    Live in the studio too. The studio version is even more over the top, vocal wise.
     
  19. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    Great underated song there. Women and Children is by far my least favorite Roth album (including the latest one) but there are some gems there. Particularly that one and Romeo Delight.
     
  20. mckindog

    mckindog Living for Sanctuary from the law Staff Member

    Sammy's swan song is an underrated gem:
    Dark verses, poignant chorus and an absolutely brilliant gut-wrenching mid-section

     
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