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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Genghis Khan, Dec 22, 2007.

  1. Travis The Dragon

    Travis The Dragon The dreamers may die, but the dreams live on.

  2. Travis The Dragon

    Travis The Dragon The dreamers may die, but the dreams live on.

    From: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/850729/north-korea-news-nuclear-war-attack-missiles-china-usa
     
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  3. Travis The Dragon

    Travis The Dragon The dreamers may die, but the dreams live on.

    That might be unconfirmed. Let's wait and see for sure.
     
  4. LooseCannon

    LooseCannon Yorktown-class aircraft carrier Staff Member

    Read the article - this was a planned exercise, not an attack. I don't see it carried on any other news agencies.
     
  5. Travis The Dragon

    Travis The Dragon The dreamers may die, but the dreams live on.

    Yes, that's correct. Here is the latest thread on the DEFCON Warning System forum discussing it.

     
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  6. Perun

    Perun Climbing like a monkey Staff Member

    I just read an interesting German language piece that came to the conclusion that the bottom line of Trump's current work is that, pushing aside all the stupid things he says and does, the Congress is becoming stronger because the White House delegates important tasks there. If so, I think this would be a good thing, provided the legislative is made up of competent people who know what they're doing. The chance is higher, of course, with 535 congresspeople vs one president. But I also realise that this is exactly the "swamp" that made people vote for Trump.
    Any opinions?
     
  7. LooseCannon

    LooseCannon Yorktown-class aircraft carrier Staff Member

    The struggle between the three branches of government for power has been going on for quite a long time. During periods of very strong presidents, the power migrates towards the executive; during weaker presidents' terms, it seems to regress towards Congress. I don't know if the congressmembers are the swamp; the swamp seems to be more of the lobbyists and stuff surrounding those people that push them towards voting for interests rather than their individual electors. Trump is proving to be a very weak president so far, and he's unwilling to lead the way on legislation. He reminds me a lot of a guy like, say, Calvin Coolidge. Coolidge did mostly what he wanted, but he let Congress take the lead in a lot of ways. He was different than Trump in a lot of ways too - he was, for example, a humble man, something Donald Trump won't be if he lives to be 10,000 years old. But yeah.
     
  8. Perun

    Perun Climbing like a monkey Staff Member

    "See how old I got? Nobody got this old. I'm the oldest - I tell you, this is the most beautiful age a guy can get."

    I don't actually think this is a bad thing. The presidency has become very powerful in recent decades, too powerful in my opinion. My ideal of democracy has the executive branch represent administrative purposes, not political initiative. Then again, political initiative should come from the people, and the only people who take initiative these days in most western countries are those who really rather shouldn't. Bleh.
     
  9. bearfan

    bearfan Ancient Mariner

    It would be nice if Congress took back some powers it should have and it would be even nicer if the states did.

    On an amusing note .. From the Onion

    CHAPPAQUA, NY—Saying it would provide a candid account of her experiences writing an unsuccessful tell-all, sources confirmed Thursday that Hillary Clinton is already working on a follow-up book casting blame for the failures of her previous memoir What Happened. “From my agent negotiating that underwhelming deal with Simon & Schuster, to the graphic designer’s lackluster cover art, to my so-called supporters who couldn’t be bothered to drop $17.99 for the hardcover copy—everyone had a hand in undermining my last book’s success,” reads a passage from the introduction to Clinton’s What Also Happened, which repeatedly decries her prior book’s “indecipherable” font and dedicates an entire chapter to lashing out at her copy editor for making her look like “an idiot third-grader.” “I’ll never forget how Amazon buried me and how Barnes & Noble completely sabotaged me by displaying my book way in the back in that no man’s land by the CDs. Frankly, it’s obvious I got screwed on all sides.” Accusing them of stealing her spotlight, the book reportedly concludes with a long list of every other celebrity who published a memoir in the past year.
     
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  10. LooseCannon

    LooseCannon Yorktown-class aircraft carrier Staff Member

    States still have quite a lot of power, but the federal money tap has allowed the central government to push a lot of interesting changes.
     
  11. bearfan

    bearfan Ancient Mariner


    The money tap is really the issue ... state 'x' do this or no $ .. which the citizens of state 'x' sent in.

    For basic rights issues .. sure, though that is really mainly the courts.

    For things like ..if you make the drinking age anything under 21 .. no road money (or prior to that, if you set a speed limit above 55 no road money) ... or other items that probably do not make sense of each and every one of the 50 states, which are a pretty diverse group ... that is what really needs to stop.
     
  12. LooseCannon

    LooseCannon Yorktown-class aircraft carrier Staff Member

    Well, I don't think any state, or very few, get back the same that they put in. Many states get much more than they submit to federal taxes, and many states get much less. Quick research says the biggest disparities are Delaware, which contributes $23,982 per person to the federal coffers and receives $9773 back per person, whereas Mississippi contributes only $3836 but receives $11,496 per capita. But I don't really like the idea of using money to enforce legislation, especially moral legislation like drinking age.
     
  13. bearfan

    bearfan Ancient Mariner

    The point really is ... citizens (at least some of them) in each state send money to the Feds .. how it is sent back out is a different matter.

    But for a lot of issues that should really be local .. especially at the more detailed level ... the strings attached to the money going back out generally make no sense. if the US were the size and diversity of Delaware ... yeah, it would make sense ... but of course that is not the case.
     
  14. Travis The Dragon

    Travis The Dragon The dreamers may die, but the dreams live on.

  15. Travis The Dragon

    Travis The Dragon The dreamers may die, but the dreams live on.

  16. Perun

    Perun Climbing like a monkey Staff Member

    If this were so serious and we're at the brink and all that, shouldn't something more be happening after a few months than just the firing of some missiles?
     
  17. Travis The Dragon

    Travis The Dragon The dreamers may die, but the dreams live on.

    Well, remember that NK just recently made some major advancements with ICBM's and now a hydrogen bomb so they might be waiting to really build up their arsenal so when they do attack, they can do so with as much fire power as possible. Also, they probably want to do as much testing as possible so they can have the most amount of success when they do actually attack. Also, the USA doesn't want to attack first because of how China and Russia could react. We'll have to see if anything major comes from NK's most recent act, but I'm not betting on much of anything. President Moon has recently said some pretty strong words as you will see here. I have a feeling we won't see too much action unless NK actually attacks first.
     
  18. Travis The Dragon

    Travis The Dragon The dreamers may die, but the dreams live on.

  19. Perun

    Perun Climbing like a monkey Staff Member

    Trump saying he would "totally destroy" North Korea in front of the United Nations general assembly certainly didn't help to de-escalate things, I'll give you that.
     
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  20. CriedWhenBrucieLeft

    CriedWhenBrucieLeft Ancient Mariner

    Travis, what's with the special interest? And DEFCON warnings?
     

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