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Unpopular Maiden Opinions

Discussion in 'Maiden Chat' started by THESEVENTHMARINER, Aug 31, 2014.

  1. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    They do not play all the time. At least not on all live numbers. For instance, in The Clansman and Fear of the Dark, Adrian doesn't do much in the beginning.
     
  2. jazz from hell

    jazz from hell Educated Fool

    That makes about 2 minutes in a whole concert; they don't play The Clansman live. And why never in the distorted guitar parts?
     
  3. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    I'm reading that people complain Maiden don't do enough with guitars, and now that they do too much.

    There are more moments in songs where guitarists sit out for a while. E.g. there is an awesome key moment in Lord of Light where Adrian does something with Steve. The rest is silent. Dave does that with Steve e.g. in Heaven Can Wait, Number of the Beast and Sign of the Cross. There's more, you just need to pay attention.
    What would improve? Could you point out a particular moment in a song where you'd like to see a change? That would make it easier to see what you mean.
     
  4. jazz from hell

    jazz from hell Educated Fool

    Number of the Beast is actually a good example, where it really works. Then again, after the intro scream all 3 of them play constantly for the rest of the song -- and the intro remains the best part.

    If we take Fear of the Dark, how about just 2 guitars after the intro in the verses, then 3 in the choruses? Or 1 in the first verse and chorus, 2 in the second verse and 3 in the 2nd chorus? Of course it could be more subtle if they thought about it before recording in the studio, when arranging the songs. Less mud guaranteed, as well as more dynamics; certainly would serve their more progressive songs. IMO.
     
  5. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    What would you like to see changed?
    The idea of having only one guitar in a whole verse and chorus sounds very odd. Don't you think it would sound weaker, sonically?

    It works in a build-up, such in Number of the Beast when Dave starts and Adrian joins, and in the magnificent section in Rime after the calm mid. But in a straightforward verse or chorus...? Maiden like to sound full during these moments. Guitarists don't always do the same. Brave New World is probably the best example where they all do different things in the verses.

    In Public Enema Number One there are different rhythm guitars in the verses. Makes it interesting. On the Powerslave album Adrian went more for the longer, open chords (in The Duellists and Rime) while Dave played as fast as Steve. On Somewhere in Time, Adrian waves patterns throughout his rhythm playing.
     
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  6. jazz from hell

    jazz from hell Educated Fool

    What about Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin... Tool?
    If everything's full and wide all the time, nothing ebds up sounding full and wide.

    That's exactly what we want to have more of.
     
  7. TheTalisman

    TheTalisman Fågel


    Blood Brothers is a very good example of this as well. The rock mix (without any of Jeff Bova's orchestration) shows it more clearly. The combination at 2:56 sounds great for example.
     
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  8. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    Yes, but BNW tops this imo because there's a melody (J), distortion (H) and cleaner playing (D) (stylewise, and sound/effect-wise all three walk a different path), while in this BB example we have two melodies and distortion.
     
  9. matic22

    matic22 H is shorter for God.

    I love the live version of BNW from Death On The Road because of that. Listen to it and concentrate on Davey (left). He plays clean basic chords during the verses and it almost sounds like an Rhodes electric piano. It's very subtle, but very effective.

    Speaking of developing guitar parts, I think H and Roy Z were much more creative with guitar parts during AOB and TCW than H, Dave and Jan have been on all of the reunion albums.
     
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  10. Wayne Bond

    Wayne Bond Trooper

    Reading this debate about 3 guitarists and how maiden uses them has been interesting. Bottom line is though Maiden were never a band about 3 guitars always 2 guitars it's just that when Bruce and Adrian came back no one in the band had the heart to fire Janick. They obviously all liked him and thought his song writing contributions were great so they decided to keep him.

    They still write songs in the way they always have which is traditionally for 2 guitarists and then just decide who plays what part. Ever since the reunion I've never listened to Maiden either on record or live and thought "I'm listening to a band with 3 guitar players". I'm my opinion they've never fully utilised or taken advantage of what they could do with 3 guitar players. To my ears if BNW and all the remaining albums since had only used 2 guitar players on them I don't think they would sound any different to what they sound like now. That's not a bad thing. I like that Janick is still in the band he's a great song writer and for me the most skilled guitarist in the band.
     
  11. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    That would imply you do not hear some different things going on as described, e.g. on BNW's title track. Because they do not happen on the two guitarist albums, do they?
     
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  12. TheTalisman

    TheTalisman Fågel

    Steve said in the Run to the Hills Biography that if it would not have worked with 3 guitarists, Janick would remain and not Adrian:).
     
  13. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    Seriously? I don't remember such a (revealed) calculation.
     
  14. Ruflux

    Ruflux Prowler

    It was definitely mentioned there. I don't have the book on hand but there's a quote talking about Steve giving assurance to Janick he'd stay in the band even if they went back to two guitarists.
     
  15. matic22

    matic22 H is shorter for God.

    Yes but there is another side to it. Bruce demanded H to rejoin as one of his demands for the Maiden camp during the first meeting they (Harry, Rod and Bruce) had. If H hadn't rejoined Bruce wouldn't.
     
  16. TheTalisman

    TheTalisman Fågel

    And let's not forget that Steve was not sure that it was the right decision to bring Bruce back before the meeting - at first he thought they would go and look for a completely new singer. In the beginning, he was not sure it was the right decision to dismiss Blaze either.

    But here is what I was referring to:
     
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  17. jazz from hell

    jazz from hell Educated Fool

    Really? I read somewhere how Steve said that Bruce didn't demand anything at all to come back.
     
  18. Gk1

    Gk1 Ancient Mariner

    It would be really interesting to get the full story behind Bruce's return......As far as I can tell this is only discussed in "Run to the Hills"???!!!
     
  19. jazz from hell

    jazz from hell Educated Fool

    Shortly before the reunion there was a news message in Rock Hard magazine about a rumour told by 'insiders'. It said that Steve got a gun put to his head (figuratively speaking) by the other Maiden guys (except Blaze of course), that was basically: either take Bruce back or we'll leave the band. Shortly afterwards the reunion was announced.
    The way Bruce talked around the subject when asked about a possible reunion during those years, my guess is he wanted to rejoin Maiden as soon as Skunkworks had split up --> talked to Rod about it --> Steve said no --> Bruce was mad.

    ( --> wrote and recorded the best albums Maiden never did before rejoining)
     
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  20. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    That seems unlikely. I could see it from maybe Nicko but definitely not Dave and Janick.

    I too would be interested in the full story. It seems like one of the more undocumented Rock reunions.
     

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