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Unpopular Maiden Opinions

Discussion in 'Maiden Chat' started by THESEVENTHMARINER, Aug 31, 2014.

  1. Gk1

    Gk1 Ancient Mariner

    Okay let me try once more. Adrian is the only one giving some texture to the songs. Dave us just sitting there playing chords.... While Janick is just dancing around playing three note melodies. Talking about an incredibly underused three guitar lineup.
     
  2. CriedWhenBrucieLeft

    CriedWhenBrucieLeft Ancient Mariner

    You're the only one talking about that.
     
  3. Gk1

    Gk1 Ancient Mariner

    Well, this is as unpopular as it gets, ain't it!?:)
     
  4. CriedWhenBrucieLeft

    CriedWhenBrucieLeft Ancient Mariner

    Judging by how regularly people post that garbage, no.
     
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  5. Gk1

    Gk1 Ancient Mariner

    Thanks!
     
  6. CriedWhenBrucieLeft

    CriedWhenBrucieLeft Ancient Mariner

    Don't thank me, I just said what you posted was garbage.
     
  7. Gk1

    Gk1 Ancient Mariner

    I know!
     
  8. The Flash

    The Flash Dennis Wilcock did 9/11

    Maiden's music doesn't allow room for three guitars to be utilized in a bigger fashion. They'd have to change their sound to do so. They've never been a "layer upon layer upon layer" type of band.

    Three guitars do make a difference live when they're playing harmonies by creating a wider sound.
     
  9. Gk1

    Gk1 Ancient Mariner

    @The Flash : I think it makes little sense to keep three guitar players in your band and barely use any harmonies in your new music.
    As for the layer upon layer thing: Bruce's solo albums and Maiden's older albums make use of layered guitars ( Powerslave, Somewhere in Time etc ).
    @CriedWhenBrucieLeft :This whole thing of 3 guitars playing the same riff (sloppy most of the time, with no real accuracy due to the "we want a live feel" approach) is driving me crazy. It took them 15 years to make a good use of the three guitars in "If Eternity should fail". For once Janick did not play a melody for Bruce to sing along. ( When the wild wind blows easily comes to mind where we have to go through that pattern for 3 whole minutes). I expected more cause they can offer more. Whether this is considered as garbage or not is not something that really concerns me. Maiden used to be my favorite band, I still follow them after 27 years of being a fan. However I find it disappointing that I need to wait for a Bruce solo album to listen to some more interesting guitar work than Maiden. So If eternity should fail is the song I 've been waiting for years for Maiden to do. (it is the only time where although it is repetitive you can at least hear strong melodies, harmonies, nice rythm guitar work and so on.
     
  10. CriedWhenBrucieLeft

    CriedWhenBrucieLeft Ancient Mariner

    Two points.

    Firstly, now you're really saying what you meant. Before this, you were talking garbage i.e.
    I was just calling that out for what it is. Talking nonsense.

    Now in respect to their poor use of three guitars in the studio (& live); those points you make are totally fair.
    My gripe here, is going back to what you were (& still are) implying:
    ... namely that Bruce's solo albums are great because of Adrian Smith. H uses drop D live with Maiden already. And yet you're still complaining about how Maiden use all three of them live; either because you didn't realise this, or because it makes little difference.

    In my opinion you're missing the point of why Bruce's solo albums are so good. It's not because Adrian unleashed some memorable drop D licks. It's because Bruce's songwriting is excellent & Roy's guitar work is immense, bordering on being superior to anything Maiden have done (in the guitar department) in the last 20 years. Adrian's role in this is fairly minor in my opinion.
     
  11. Gk1

    Gk1 Ancient Mariner

    I agree that H plays a minor role (compared to Roy who writes the bulk of the albums.).....But all songs written by H : Ghost of Cain, Road to Hell, Into the Pit ( hope got the title right), Killing Floor, Machine Men, Return of the King are so much better than anything he did with Maiden after his return (IMO). It seems that he did spend time on the writing process adding bits and pieces that made the tracks interesting. It is as if in Maiden they don't even try. I mean Different World and Wildest dreams? Really???
    (Ok maybe I am overreacting as these songs are mostly ruined by Steve's awful and childish lyrics). Then again you have Kevin & Steve bury the songs underneath "strange" and lifeless - to say the least - production. Not a single post 1999 Maiden -studio -song has the right "pace" if you ask me.

    Anyway what I am trying to say is that I think that Maiden still have great ideas. IMO they don't spend enough time on their material in the studio. I understand the good intentions regarding the live feeling and all that. But just go through the fast paced and breathtaking Be Quick or be dead track and then go through any of the post 2000 "fast songs". There is no comparison sound wise, energy wise, structure wise, and in most cases playing wise. It is a pity if you ask me. Maiden can offer so much more cause they still got brilliant ideas. I however find it disturbing that Bruce and H are so much better outside Maiden. Even the Rock Rebel Rebellion album, I thought had amazing music by H. (Justin's vocals were kind of overwhelming for my liking.)
    Seeing H add some melodies live (under the chorus of eternity should fail, in the end of Tears of a Clown, and in the bridge of and Death or glory) only shows me that he can also understand that the songs might sound a bit empty as recorded. If they could just stop learning the songs as they play them and record them......
     
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  12. frus

    frus Barbed Wire Hen

    Well, that's unpopular
     
  13. Gk1

    Gk1 Ancient Mariner

    It seems I got to the core of the thread's purpose after all :) Even if people don't like these songs, I think we can all agree that there are no spare, repetitive parts in there.
     
  14. Ariana

    Ariana Purple leopard

    This board hates Welcome to the Pit and Machine Men more than they hate Montenegro.
     
  15. CriedWhenBrucieLeft

    CriedWhenBrucieLeft Ancient Mariner

    As they should, they're pure piddle.
     
  16. frus

    frus Barbed Wire Hen

    I mean, Paschendale is better than that
     
  17. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    I think Maiden utilize three guitarists more than they get credit for. It's mostly happening in the rhythm department and it's subtle but it's still there.
     
  18. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    Indeed. The Great Unknown is a perfect example of this. Subtle, different layers.

    The issues arise when they play the older material.
     
  19. CriedWhenBrucieLeft

    CriedWhenBrucieLeft Ancient Mariner

    Agreed. It happened from day one, on BNW; just some people don't notice &/or want three part harmonies.
     
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  20. frus

    frus Barbed Wire Hen

    I'm sure there are 4 or 5 layered guitars on Thin Line
     
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