The smoking ban and its remarkable consequences

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Smoking ban leads to new religion

Café owners in the Netherlands are joining religious movement known as the One and Universal Smokers Church of God, the Telegraaf reports on Wednesday.

‘We stand firmly behind the church’s teachings and that is smoking,’ Cor Busch, owner of the former Lindeboom café in Alkmaar told the paper. ‘Smokers are being discriminated against… but a beer and a cigarette belong together.’

Smoking has been banned in Dutch bars since July 1.

Several dozen bars have joined the movement which claims the Dutch constitution and European rules give it legitimacy under the right to freedom of religion, the paper says.

People who join the church get a membership card entitling them to smoke inside the building. Worshippers believe in the trinity of smoke, fire and ash and honour their god by smoking.

Church founder Michiel Eijsbouts says café owners who are trying to get round the ban on smoking will not be allowed to join. The church, he says, takes smoking very seriously.

‘It has ritual aspects, it is something you experience and we follow our faith very strictly,’ he told the Telegraaf.

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Dutch cafes use fake cigarette smells to create atmosphere after smoking ban

Nasty smells left by sweaty summer beer drinkers have left some Dutch bar owners pining for the aroma of cigarette and cigar smoke two weeks after a smoking ban came into force.

Rain Showtechniek, a Dutch company that specialises in lighting, special stage effects and sound systems, has developed a machine that reproduces the traditional smell of bars and cafes.

"There is a need for a scent to mask the sweat and other unpleasant smells like stale beer," said Erwin van den Bergh, a spokesman for the company.

"People find that smells such as Mocha coffee, Havana cigars or cigarettes can be about good moods and different ideas of living well."

Unlike the real thing, the artificial tobacco smells do not have any health risks and does not linger in the hair or clothing of bar customers.

"Geurmachines" come in different sizes and prices, ranging from giant smell-makers, costing £3500 for exhibition halls to smaller and cheaper scent devices for cafés, priced at £440.

Over 50 different scents are offered for the new machines ranging from tobacco aromas to the smell of leather, freshly baked bread or new cars.

The Dutch smoking ban began on July 1.
 
Wealthy duo launch $500m war on smoking

Article from: Courier Mail

By Sara Kugler in New York
July 25, 2008 03:39am

MICROSOFT founder Bill Gates and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg are pooling $US500 million ($521 million) into a global effort to cut smoking.

The billionaire philanthropists, with a combined worth of more than $US70 billion, said the money would help efforts in developing countries where tobacco use was highest. They are targeting China and India and want to prevent a "tobacco epidemic" in Africa. There are more than a billion smokers worldwide.

The $US375 million from Mr Bloomberg and $US125 million from Mr Gates will support projects that raise tobacco taxes, help smokers quit, ban tobacco advertising and protect non-smokers from exposure to smoke. It will also aid efforts to track tobacco use and better understand tobacco control strategies.

"Bill and I want to highlight the enormity of this problem and catalyse a global movement of governments and civil society to stop the tobacco epidemic," Mr Bloomberg said yesterday.

He started an anti-smoking initiative in 2006 to fund campaigns in low and middle-income countries such as China, India, Indonesia, Russia and Bangladesh.

There are some results already: Egypt recently sharply raised taxes on tobacco products, the Philippines banned all tobacco media advertising, while in Brazil and other countries, tobacco packaging bears graphic images to discourage sales.

So far, six countries have banned smoking in all public places, including Britain, France, Italy, Ireland, Uruguay and New Zealand.

Mr Gates said yesterday that from his donation $US24 million would go directly towards Mr Bloomberg's programs already under way.

The remaining money would be used by his foundation to begin its own anti-tobacco work, including preventing tobacco use from increasing in Africa.

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I'm officially an Apple man now.
 
Say, why not do that in the US?

Oh, that's right ... Bloomberg is a politician with rumored aspirations for the presidency, and he wouldn't want to cross the tobacco companies on turf where they could hurt his ambitions.

Fuck Bloomberg and Gates, I'm smoking right now. :bigsmile:
 
I second that! Unfortunately I have to walk all the way downstairs to smoke..... it's worth it.
 
It's the same tobacco companies overseas, guys.  You piss them off anywhere - the difference here is that these boys can spend pocket change and get serious cred.
 
In the UK, it will soon become illegal to display any tobacco in a shop and it must be sold from "under the counter". As noted, already it is already forbidden to smoke in public & work places - and advertising tobacco is not allowed.

I work for a large retail company and they have recently spent a fair few quid on refitting the counter in all of their 1300 shops to get it ready for new IT equipment. It seems they are going to refit them again to remove the tobacco gantry from behind the counter.
 
Albie said:
In the UK, it will soon become illegal to display any tobacco in a shop and it must be sold from "under the counter". As noted, already it is already forbidden to smoke in public & work places - and advertising tobacco is not allowed.

This has already happened in Nova Scotia.  Cigarettes cannot be displayed in any way shape or form.  Cigars can only be displayed in a dedicated smoke shop.  It's been a massive pain to retailers, especially small-scale ones.
 
That doesn't surprise me about Nova Scotia; I imagine Newfoundland must be about the same way by now. Several years ago when I stopped for fuel at St. John's airport I bought a pack of cigarettes and the front of the pack was almost completely blacked out. Written in big white block lettering across the black was this simple message: THESE CIGARETTES WILL KILL YOU!

Now that's what I call a warning.
 
Well, one of my teachers in late ground school (I was 13, ground school in Norway at that time was from age 7 to age 16 - now it is 6 to 16) had the following opinion:

A cigarette is a little stick with a glow at one end and an idiot at the other end  :D It belongs to the story that he had been smoking for some years himself, but he quit when he realized how poor his stamina had become (he told he was out cross-country skiing, and at the top of a hill he had to stop because he started coughing quite nastily).

As to the statement made by this Cor Busch that "A cigarette and a beer belong together": Couldn't disagree more. It's common knowledge that smoking reduces your sense of smell - which in turn influences on the sense of taste. This means a smoker can not fully appreciate all the flavours in a good pint of beer, because he simply doesn't sense them any more.

I don't mind other people smoking, but still I think banning smoking inside public buildings is a good thing. Cigarette smoke is quite nasty for non-smokers and it is a very nice thing to be able to spend the evening in a pub, having a few beers, without having to hang all your clothes out afterwards to get the smell of smoke out ... And for the poor bastards working in a pub, the ban on smoking in restaurants and bars must have done a miracle to their working environment.
 
Well, in if you are drinking most of the piss they pour out of a tap here in the States, maybe smoking does go with the beer, to deaden the taste of it?

As to it:  the problem that I have with the smoking ban around me is that the casinos were shown favor.  If you have a bar, a resturaunt, or other facility, smoking is banned within.  However, if you have a casino where you are selling alcohol, food, or having a band play, smoking is allowed.  This his a 'hot topic' around this neck of the woods.  Of course, it is the Midwest US, so there isn't much else to talk about, since the flood has gone down.
 
LooseCannon said:
This has already happened in Nova Scotia.  Cigarettes cannot be displayed in any way shape or form.  Cigars can only be displayed in a dedicated smoke shop.  It's been a massive pain to retailers, especially small-scale ones.

I think its Nationwide all the stores around here keep them behind some sort of cupboard or under the counter and the big grocery stores are trying to cut it out all together.

O and I think there smoking a little bit to much of the other stuff ::)
 
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