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Killers: Album Discussion

Discussion in 'Killers' started by 22 The Avenue, Mar 5, 2015.

  1. The Flash

    The Flash Dennis Wilcock did 9/11

    This sharp contrast in approach is the main reason Iron Maiden is, indeed, a heavy prog rock band in many aspects. They drew a lot of influence from blues-influenced rock bands but they eradicated most of that blues influence when it came to their own style, their stylistic approach has always been closer to prog rock.
     
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  2. harrisdevot

    harrisdevot Ancient Mariner

    I see it as a very cohesive record. Martin Birch did a fantastic job in that respect (you've got to take into account the fact that Twillight Zone is a late addition to a record it didn't belong to). Most of the songs were already well established in the Maiden and have been very slightly altered (Adrian has added a few things here and there), and only two, as far as I know, have been written especially. So, no, I don't have this bits and pieces feel, and it's certainly not a rushed album. But it's my frist Maiden album, and I sherish it for that too...
     
  3. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    This is actually a fact. The songs on Killers are primarily material that predates the first record - extras from Steve's old band, ideas left lying around, he has even attested to this. I completely agree that the album feels totally aimless and it is repetitive to a massive fault. Cut and paste verse sections with no lyrical changes are the death of Killers.
     
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  4. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    Steve also attested that this album is by far his favourite from the two first. So he sure won't find it totally aimless. I guess it depends on what we want to focus on here. I prefer the debut slightly over Killers because of the average song strength, and I see how Killers is the least melodic album of the catalogue, but it has its own strengths as well. Some of the best drumming, aggression and riffs. What an energy. Birth captured in very well, before the edges were cut off on the next album. What Beast lacks, especially in drumming and dynamics, is all here. Killers has one of the most "in-your-face-productions" of all Maiden albums. Also, the leads sound so nice. Check e.g. these lines in the intro of Murders, at the end of Genghis Khan, the solos in Prodigal Son and Ides of March! It shows that this album also has a thoughtful, beautiful side.

    When I heard Killers for the first time, I only knew two other Maiden studio albums: the debut album and Seventh Son. Naturally, I was a bit disappointment after I heard the complete album. Most tracks were not so melodic as most other music that I appreciated. Still I like side B very much (apart from Drifter, which is low on my ranking). My favourite Killers-moments are Genghis Khan, Purgatory (great combo of speed and melody), the instrumental mid-piece in Prodigal Son with its spineshivering solos, Wrathchild, the cool harmonies of Murders In The Rue Morgue and the aggressive mid-part in Another Life.
     
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  5. EddieoftheOpera

    EddieoftheOpera Trooper

    I'd say that "Ghengis Khan", "Innocent Exile" and "Purgatory" are strong enough to make the album a pretty good listen but they're by no means stand out tracks and the rest of the tracks you didn't mention are quite forgettable. It's a good album, but not one of their best.
     
  6. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    I agree with you on all of the production notes - Killers is a far superior sounding album to the debut and Martin Birch did a great job of capturing the energy of the band (especially in the drums, as you noted). But this sentence says it all:

    For me it all boils down to the songs. Sure, a great production, a better drum sound, etc. can enhance an album, but I simply find the songs on Killers to be vastly inferior to the debut (and most of their catalog in general).
     
  7. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    Recommended: Great sound, and lots of pics from the period. During Innocent Exile there's even a nice attempt of a live vid playing along with the music. Enjoy:
     
  8. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    My average rating for this album: 8.45
     
  9. Jeffmetal

    Jeffmetal Ancient Mariner

    The Ides Of March 10
    Prodigal Son 10
    Purgatory 10
    Innocent Exile 10
    Genghis Khan 10
    Wrathchild 10
    Murders In The Rue Morgue 10
    Killers 9
    Drifter 9
    Another Life 8

    Average note: 9,6 (Not including Twilight Zone, though, I love the song. Gave it a 9)
     
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  10. harrisdevot

    harrisdevot Ancient Mariner

    ^Love this :applause:.
     
  11. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    Crazy talk.
     
  12. harrisdevot

    harrisdevot Ancient Mariner

    Usually, I tend not to care that much about other people's opinion on Maiden's albums, but every time I read really positive comments on Killers, it makes me happy for a few minutes. I LOVE this record, as much now than the child I was when I first listened to it.
     
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  13. Jeffmetal

    Jeffmetal Ancient Mariner

    My first Maiden record of my own (not the first I listened to), given to me as a gift on the day and during my 5th birthday party, back in 1986.

    It's only an almost 30 years story, there, mate. It's crazy talk a 5 years old receiving this kind of gift with 5 years old, back in the early/mid 80's. :edmetal:
     
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  14. harrisdevot

    harrisdevot Ancient Mariner

    5th birthday :eek:. Hell, my oldest son is 9 and doesn't care about music.
     
  15. Deus_Adrian

    Deus_Adrian Prince of the Final Frontier

    I have always cared about music, far back as I can remember.When I was 6 I had a band called the Monsters. I had a book of lyrics containing such gems as 'Hey, Hey Were the Monsters", "Ships", "I'd Like To Be an Old Monster" and "Another Hole in the Wall (By Hulk). My son is 5 and all he does is play Godzilla and sing. So Metal. )
     
  16. RueMorgue

    RueMorgue Prowler

    I think Killers is absolutely superb. Not a weak track on it. It's my favourite Maiden album.
     
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  17. CriedWhenBrucieLeft

    CriedWhenBrucieLeft Ancient Mariner

     
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  18. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    This one actually went up for me on the most recent relisten, but that's only because I bumped up the score on the title track by 1 point. Similar to the debut, this one's rating does not change much for me. As opposed to the later albums, these two Di'Anno records just don't have as much meat to them. My opinions don't change much over time because the songs lack the layers and complexity of the later albums.

    The Ides of March/Wrathchild - 10/10
    Murders in the Rue Morgue - 10/10
    Another Life - 1/10
    Genghis Khan - 7/10
    Innocent Exile - 4/10
    Killers - 9/10
    Twilight Zone - 1/10
    Prodigal Son - 4/10
    Purgatory - 6/10
    Drifter - 1/10

    Album: 5.3
     
  19. soundwave

    soundwave Educated Fool

    I think in context, Killers was a pretty heavy/aggressive record for the time period. I like how it combined classic rock melodies with the pace of metal (Another Life provides some of the best head banging moments of the band's career).

    Though It does almost sound like a different band than the NOTB - SSOASS run; it doesn't have the twists and turns, sense grandeur, and 'epic-ness' of the Bruce/Nicko years. I have to get in the right mindset to really give it a proper go.
     
  20. Diesel 11

    Diesel 11 Come to the Sabbath

    In my opinion, whilst there are several duds on the album, there are also a lot of great ones. Killers is better than the debut, in my opinion, and it's a fun album, even if some of the songs just aren't up to the Maiden standard. Murders In The Rue Morgue is fucking perfect.
     

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