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DREAM THEATER ALBUMS SURVIVOR 2017: Results -> Images & Words wins!

Discussion in 'Forum Games' started by Night Prowler, Jan 6, 2017.

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Satisfied with the results?

  1. Yes

    66.7%
  2. No

    33.3%
  1. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    I really like some of the chromatic runs in solos like As I Am and Endless Sacrifice. JP has a reputation for being a shredder, but I find his solos have a bit more to them than that. But on TOT he truly shreds. Yet he never sacrificed his taste for a good melody and a level of composition in his solos.

    This is exactly where the song falls apart for me. I love everything prior to that. It's a cool riff but then when JLB comes in it's just a total mess. One of my least favorite parts in a DT song. The instrumental section after those riffs is OK but just too bloated. Although I will say it's one of the few moments in the entire 12SS where it felt like they were actually conscious of this being part of a larger piece. That section works as a perfect interlude to TROAE. On its own though it is bloated.
     
  2. Saapanael

    Saapanael "My hair sets the trend of tmrw by doing it today"

    Oh yes, it's classic chromatic-alternate-picking-neck-pickup-loving JP. Out of all material by him, ToT is the shreddiest. Shreddy or not, he can compose some majestic stuff. It's easy to associate the term "shred" with sweep noodling but there's something classier than that in JP's solos. Perhaps it's because he isn't very good at sweep picking. More of a gift than a curse, I guess. :D
    There are good examples of shred all over DT's discography. Home is one where a strong sense of melody is retained underneath a blazing guitar. Constant Motion's solo is another memorable one - the ending of which is probably as fast as you can humanly pick.
     
  3. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    I think he's good at sweep picking but he prefers the precision of alt picking. There's some really impressive sweep picking sprinkled into various solos, including constant motion. Also some insane sweep picking exercises on his rock discipline video.
     
  4. Saapanael

    Saapanael "My hair sets the trend of tmrw by doing it today"

    There are some in his solos but where he tends to get sloppy live is precisely sweep picking. Haven't seen the ones on Rock Discipline.
     
  5. JudasMyGuide

    JudasMyGuide A Bug

    :facepalm:

    Okay, it's time for Number of the Beast to win a Maiden Survivor. When it rains, it pours.
     
  6. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    Silly comparison :p
     
  7. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    Very silly comparison. Images & Words is ten times the album that NOTB is.
     
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  8. Night Prowler

    Night Prowler ɹǝlʍoɹԀ ʇɥƃᴉN Staff Member

    SFAM wins in case the tie remains.
     
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  9. Saapanael

    Saapanael "My hair sets the trend of tmrw by doing it today"

    Go, SFAM, go!
     
  10. Zare

    Zare Dream of broken citadels

    Tough, but I like I&W better.
     
  11. Night Prowler

    Night Prowler ɹǝlʍoɹԀ ʇɥƃᴉN Staff Member

    Top 14
    01. Images & Words ◄0
    02. Metropolis, Part 2 - Scenes From A Memory ◄0
    03. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence ▲2
    04. Awake ◄0
    05. Train Of Thought ▼2
    06.
    A Dramatic Turn Of Events ▲2
    07. Falling Into Infinity ◄0
    08. Octavarium ▲1
    09. Black Clouds & Silver Linings ▲1
    10. Dream Theater ▼4
    11.
    Systematic Chaos ◄0
    12. A Change Of Seasons ●new
    13. The Astonishing ●new
    14. When Dream & Day Unite ▼2
     
  12. Night Prowler

    Night Prowler ɹǝlʍoɹԀ ʇɥƃᴉN Staff Member

    I'm satisfied... but ADTOE needs to be higher than Awake next time. Thanks to all the voters!
     
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  13. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    Top 5 is fine, everything else is completely off.
     
  14. Collin

    Collin MARK IT ZERO!

    Yeah this is pretty much my rankings, just switch the first two, then switch Systematic Chaos with BC&SL.
     
  15. JudasMyGuide

    JudasMyGuide A Bug

    Thanks for hosting and all, but the results are atrocious. And yes, i know not everybody must like SC - I'm okay with that. And though it's not my personal favourite, I'd be okay with SFAM winning. But the order is all messed up, 8 and WDADU are seriously underrated and there's too much Moore in the top 5. Nice to see SDOIT getting as far as it did.

    Also, for all the talk about how DT have gone stale during the „later Portnoy era“ and all the talk about how everybody wants them to experiment and how no-one likes them when they are needlessly heavy, preferring them to let the music breathe a little, there’s a serious disonance between all this talk and the appreciation of the three albums that actually do so, that is FII, SDOIT and 8, in general. At least SDOIT got pretty high.
     
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2017
  16. Detective Beauregard

    Detective Beauregard Dr. Shreddington

    Personally I don't think A Change of Seasons should be counted as it's not a full album. But since it was, the song itself is better than Systematic Chaos and Octavarium in full.

    The debut album is underrated, but I'm biased towards all the Myung lead bass. I'm surprised that Falling Into Infinity is in the middle, but I'm glad. The self-titled album should absolutely be higher. Astonishing should be dead last.

    Dream Theater, unlike many other bands, have never made a bad album. I can agree with the top 5 (not in order) minus Six Degrees, which I'd swap in favor of Dramatic, FII, or the self-titled. Train is my #2, although I've probably listened to it more than I&W.

    The solo in As I Am is probably my favorite on the album, and it's also the centerpiece of the song (none of the other tracks have this feel). I'll always prefer his more emotive solos, but this is one of his best shreddy ones.

    The last minute or so of the song is one of the most intense things I've heard in my life. I love how the bass drives the section, too.
     
  17. The Flash

    The Flash Dennis Wilcock did 9/11

    List is nearly identical to mine, I'd just replace the last two spots with each other and possibly ToT with ADTOE.
     
  18. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    I'm satisfied with the top two, even if Train of Thought should be up there. I understand the love for Metropolis. Six Degrees needs to get the hell out of the Top 5, thought.

    My personal ranking:

    01. Images & Words (A Change of Seasons) - 10.0
    02. Train of Thought - 9.4
    03. Metropolis, Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory - 9.0
    04. Awake - 8.9
    05. A Dramatic Turn of Events - 8.7
    06. Dream Theater - 8.6
    07. Falling Into Infinity - 8.0
    08. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - 7.6
    09. The Astonishing - 7.5
    10. Octavarium - 7.3
    11. Systematic Chaos - 7.0
    12. Black Clouds & Silver Linings - 6.6
    13. When Dream and Day Unite - 5.3
     
  19. Saapanael

    Saapanael "My hair sets the trend of tmrw by doing it today"

    Images and Words would greatly benefit from a good drum sound. The song quality is high but there have been better mixes.
     
  20. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    Although I agree, it was the early 90's, most metal albums good have used a better drum sound.
     
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