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Dance Of Death mixing/production

Discussion in 'Dance Of Death' started by Anonymous, Jun 23, 2005.

  1. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Does anyone here think Dance Of Death was produced/mixed wrong? Steve's bass lines are harder to hear and it seems like Nicko's drumming was dumbed down compared to other albums. Anyone agree with me?
     
  2. gor

    gor Ancient Mariner

    Kevin Shirley to me, when I emailed him about it: "overcompression is the bane of my life"
     
  3. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    [!--QuoteBegin-Maiden Guitarist+Jun 25 2005, 07:19 PM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Maiden Guitarist @ Jun 25 2005, 07:19 PM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]When did you email him?
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    When did you first play with your willy?

    Got any other stupid question? [!--emo&:huh:--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/huh.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'huh.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
     
  4. LooseCannon

    LooseCannon Yorktown-class aircraft carrier Staff Member

    I love the DoD production. I think you need to have a good set of earphones to hear it, but it's incredibly precise. However, I have to say, that I don't listen to either the bass or the drums.
     
  5. gor

    gor Ancient Mariner

    There was a whole hype about some article a sound engineer or sth wrote about overcompressed cds that have been put out. Maiden's cd was one of the ones mentioned on the article. and I emailed the link to the article to shirley. He replied: I tend to agree with the writer of the article,... -and then the quote I put above. It must have been a year - ayear and a half back
     
  6. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    [!--QuoteBegin-Maiden Guitarist+Jun 26 2005, 01:39 AM--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE(Maiden Guitarist @ Jun 26 2005, 01:39 AM)[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--QuoteEBegin--]Mav, I didn't ask a stupid question. Lay off.
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    Didn't you?
     
  7. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    I think in termz of recording and production Dance Of Death iz nothing but mud!

    Steve'z signature bass sound iz NOWHERE to be heard... it'z hidden under a mess of guitarz and drumz... nothing punchez through with any clarity, it'z all just a big low to low-mid frequency mix on just about everything in the mix... it'z fucking woeful...

    APART from that... the songz are great... they're just recorded badly...

    I'd like to hear the version mixed in 5.1 to see if it soundz any better...


    I have to say, Dance Of Death haz the worst production of any Maiden album... in contrast I personally think No Prayer For The Dying and Somewhere In Time have the best production work...

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  8. SinisterMinisterX

    SinisterMinisterX Illuminatus Staff Member

    First of all, SpuddleZ, I sincerely hope that your keyboard and/or operating system are broken. If you have no such excuse, then your usage of the letter 'z' in place of the letter 's' violates our [a href=\'http://forum.maidenfans.com/index.php?act=boardrules\' target=\'_blank\']forum rules[/a], which state:
    While the occasional lapse in grammar, capital letters etc. are common place, we ask you NOT to speak using 'txt spk' or '1337'.
    That rule is meant to cover all instances of deliberate misspellings, except those done with obviously humorous intent. The moderator of this forum, Maverick, is known to have notoriously low tolerance for the type of post you just made.

    Regarding the production on DoD: I have no trouble distincly hearing all the parts, except for possibly the opening of "Wildest Dreams". Even in that case, I don't think it's a fault of the production; it's a flaw in the composition. With 3 guitars, it's very easy for one instrument to intrude on the sonic space of another. When the guitar parts are highly similar without being perfectly identical, the result can be a muddy sound.

    When DoD came out, I had just seen Maiden very recently (only a couple of weeks before the release). My first reaction to the album's sound is that it sounded very much like Maiden's live sound from the GMETID tour. I think that's what the band was going for: a live sound, not an overly-processed sound.
     
  9. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    The sound from DOD is pretty different from BNW.

    BNW: more drums oriented (thin, polished sounding rhythm guitars, and often you don't even hear 3 at the same time)

    DOD: more guitar oriented (stronger and rougher guitar sound, which results in a weaker sounding drum; more in the background).

    I know quite a few people who prefer the BNW sound, but they (and me too) all say that the guitars are stronger in the mix on DOD.

    Which sound you prefer is everyone's own choice, but the cool things is, that they don't sound the same. [!--emo&:)--][img src=\'style_emoticons/[#EMO_DIR#]/smile.gif\' border=\'0\' style=\'vertical-align:middle\' alt=\'smile.gif\' /][!--endemo--]
     
  10. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    dod's sound is terrible... bad eq balance, muddy, compressed, and clipping in various parts
     
  11. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    sorry to bump this thread but I wanted to make a new topic about this but since one exists I might as well post here. In the DOTR doc, Kevin mentions that he sent DOD to another producer who fixed the bottom end of the album. But when he gave it to Steve, Steve rejected it. I've always wanted to hear that fixed version because perhaps it sounds better then DOD. (one of the worst sounding Maiden albums)
     
  12. Zare

    Zare Dream of broken citadels

    If not the worst sounding album.
     
  13. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    i'd give that title to X Factor
     
  14. Night Prowler

    Night Prowler ɹǝlʍoɹԀ ʇɥƃᴉN Staff Member

    Worst production on a Maiden album.
     
  15. Travis The Dragon

    Travis The Dragon The dreamers may die, but the dreams live on.

    Sorry to bump another old thread, but I just came across something called "Dance of Death (BrickwallHater Remaster)". The production on the album doesn't bother me, but others might want to check this out and see if it sounds better.
     
  16. Zare

    Zare Dream of broken citadels

    Thanks for info Travis. Did you manage to download it?
     
  17. Travis The Dragon

    Travis The Dragon The dreamers may die, but the dreams live on.

    You bet. I didn't get it because the sound of DOD is perfectly fine to my ears, but I'm still wondering what those who don't like the sound will think of it.

    Well, I am going to check it out and there are text files with it that have the dynamic range.

    Here is the original:

    DR Peak RMS Duration Track
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    DR5 -0.02 dB -6.35 dB 3:53 01-Wildest Dreams
    DR6 -0.02 dB -6.34 dB 3:49 02-Rainmaker
    DR5 -0.01 dB -7.24 dB 7:22 03-No More Lies
    DR5 -0.01 dB -6.06 dB 5:50 04-Montségur
    DR6 -0.02 dB -7.32 dB 8:37 05-Dance Of Death
    DR5 -0.02 dB -6.06 dB 5:12 06-Gates Of Tomorrow
    DR6 -0.04 dB -6.44 dB 5:04 07-New Frontier
    DR6 -0.01 dB -7.12 dB 8:28 08-Paschendale
    DR6 -0.01 dB -7.14 dB 6:31 09-Face In The Sand
    DR5 -0.01 dB -6.83 dB 6:10 10-Age Of Innocence
    DR6 0.00 dB -7.80 dB 7:07 11-Journeyman
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Number of tracks: 11
    Official DR value: DR6

    Samplerate: 44100 Hz
    Channels: 2
    Bits per sample: 16
    Bitrate: 945 kbps
    Codec: FLAC


    And here is the remaster:

    DR Peak RMS Duration Track
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    DR13 -0.10 dB -14.69 dB 3:53 01-Wildest Dreams
    DR14 -0.10 dB -14.63 dB 3:49 02-Rainmaker
    DR13 -0.10 dB -15.55 dB 7:22 03-No More Lies
    DR14 -0.10 dB -14.35 dB 5:50 04-Montsegur
    DR14 -0.10 dB -15.70 dB 8:37 05-Dance of Death
    DR13 -0.10 dB -14.44 dB 5:12 06-Gates Of Tomorrow
    DR14 -0.10 dB -14.77 dB 5:04 07-New Frontier
    DR14 -0.10 dB -15.59 dB 8:28 08-Paschendale
    DR13 -0.92 dB -15.58 dB 6:31 09-Face In The Sand
    DR14 -0.10 dB -15.22 dB 6:10 10-Age of Innocence
    DR14 -0.10 dB -15.94 dB 7:07 11-Journeyman
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Number of tracks: 11
    Official DR value: DR14

    Samplerate: 44100 Hz
    Channels: 2
    Bits per sample: 16
    Bitrate: 803 kbps
    Codec: FLAC

    I'm not sure what that means myself, but I'll have to give both a listen and see if I hear a difference.
     
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2015
  18. Caveman Ninja

    Caveman Ninja The Titanic doesn't fit inside

    Does it sound any better?
     
  19. Caveman Ninja

    Caveman Ninja The Titanic doesn't fit inside

    Kevin Shirey's mixing is the bane of my life.
     
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  20. Ranko

    Ranko I'll shoot the gunner first!

    How can it sound any better if it was mastered from the CD version? You can't undo the clipping...
     

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