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Classic cinema - thoughts and questions

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Forostar, Aug 19, 2006.

  1. bearfan

    bearfan Ancient Mariner

    She gets a bit overshadowed from that era, but she was a spectacular actress. Dark Mirror was very good as was her next movie, The Snake Pit
     
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  2. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    We have it at home but I still need to see The Snake Pit! The Heirress (1949), directed by William Wyler, is also very good.

    A great run, she made these three films back to back, or at least, that's how they were released.

    Here an interview from last month, in which she finally breaks her silence on Hollywood's most famous sibling rivalry, disclosing her feelings about her late sister Joan Fontaine, revealing that she calls her "Dragon Lady.": http://bigstory.ap.org/article/db59...ew-de-havilland-breaks-silence-sibling-feud-0
     
  3. bearfan

    bearfan Ancient Mariner

    Interesting, she seems pretty sharp at her age. Would be nice if she would do more interviews, certainly a unique period of Hollywood and she is one of the few left to tell about it.
     
  4. Perun

    Perun Climbing like a monkey Staff Member

  5. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    Can't say I know any work of him, but he certainly must be admired for continuing to work in a difficult climate.
     
  6. bearfan

    bearfan Ancient Mariner

    RIP Gary Marshall. Created some of the most popular (ans some really good) US TV shows . I am not as big a fan of his movies, but they did well.

    Marshall broke into showbiz in the late 1950s as a joke writer, eventually earning his way to becoming a writer on The Tonight Show with Jack Paar. In 1970, Marshall adapted his first TV hit, The Odd Couple, from a play with writing partner Jerry Belson. He went on to create sitcoms Happy Days, Laverne & Shirley (which starred his sister, Penny Marshall) and Mork & Mindy (which introduced the world to Robin Williams).In the '80s, Marshall turned his talents to feature films, finding his first hit with The Flamingo Kid (1984), followed by Overboard (1987) and Beaches (1989).The hits kept coming, from 1990's Pretty Woman (which propelled Julia Roberts to stardom), 1999's Runaway Bride and 2001's The Princess Diaries (which made Anne Hathaway a household name).
     
  7. LooseCannon

    LooseCannon Self-propelled artillery Staff Member

    Pretty Woman got me laid once, so I am OK with it.
     
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  8. terrell39

    terrell39 Ancient Mariner

    The first true classic horror scene of cinema: "Feast your eyes, glut your soul on my accursed ugliness!"

     
  9. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    The Man of Thousand Faces, with his most horrible face. Stunning, and all done by himself.
     
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  10. terrell39

    terrell39 Ancient Mariner

    A Pictorial History of Horror Movies by Dennis Gifford was a book given to me when I was young. I devoured it. Reread it many times. The photos were amazing. (this was published back in the 70s, so it is out of date now).

    Guess that explains why I am (so screwed up) such a Maiden fan.

    https://www.amazon.com/Pictorial-History-Horror-Movies/dp/0600369269
     
  11. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    John Alton.. the ultimate, definitive film noir cinematographer. Painter with light!
    "Out of the shadows and into the light!"


    He studied Rembrandt (@4:40 ) and applied it to films @Perun
     
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  12. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    Who likes Westerns out here? I guess I can say I do. I made a list of seen Westerns and wonder if people appreciate some of these or others I haven't seen yet. While I have various other titles laying around, I am always open for someone's suggestions and opinions, also if I'm already aware of a title. Here goes:

    1932 Ride Him, Cowboy
    1933 Sagebrush Trail
    1933 Riders of Destiny
    1933 West of the Divide
    1934 The Trail Beyond
    1934 The Star Packer
    1934 Randy Rides Alone
    1934 Neath the Arizona Skies
    1934 The Man from Utah
    1934 The Lucky Texan
    1934 The Lawless Frontier
    1934 Blue Steel
    1935 Texas Terror
    1935 Rainbow Valley
    1935 Paradise Canyon
    1935 Lawless Range
    1935 The Desert Trail
    1935 The Dawn Rider
    1936 Winds of the Wasteland
    1936 Rose-Marie
    1936 The Plainsman
    1936 Man of the Frontier (aka Red River Valley)
    1937 Hell Town (aka Born to the West)
    1938 The Texans
    1938 Overland Stage Raiders
    1939 Stagecoach
    1939 The Oklahoma Kid
    1939 Jesse James
    1939 Dodge City
    1939 Destry Rides Again
    1940 The Westerner
    1940 Virginia City
    1940 The Return of Frank James
    1940 Dark Command
    1941 Western Union
    1941 They Died With Their Boots On
    1942 The Spoilers
    1942 In Old California
    1943 The Ox-Bow Incident
    1943 The Outlaw
    1943 In Old Oklahoma (aka War of the Wildcats)
    1944 Tall in the Saddle
    1945 San Antonio
    1945 Dakota
    1946 The Virginian
    1946 My Darling Clementine
    1946 Duel in the Sun
    1946 Abilene Town
    1947 Unconquered
    1947 The Sea of Grass
    1947 Pursued
    1947 Bells of San Angelo
    1947 Angel and the Bad Man
    1948 Yellow Sky
    1948 The Treasure of Sierra Madre
    1948 Tap Roots
    1948 Silver River
    1948 Red River
    1948 Fort Apache
    1948 3 Godfathers
    1949 She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
    1949 Riders of the Whistling Pines
    1949 The Fighting Kentuckian
    1950 Winchester '73
    1950 Rocky Mountain
    1950 The Outriders
    1950 The Gunfighter
    1950 Devil's Doorway
    1950 Broken Arrow
    1951 Vengeance Valley
    1951 Across the Wide Missouri
    1952 High Noon
    1952 Hangman's Knot
    1952 Bend of the River
    1953 Shane
    1953 The Naked Spur
    1953 The Man from the Alamo
    1953 Hondo
    1953 Escape from Fort Bravo
    1954 Vera Cruz
    1954 Track of the Cat
    1954 The Far Country
    1954 Broken Lance
    1954 Apache
    1954 Man with the Gun
    1954 The Man from Laramie
    1955 A Lawless Street
    1955 Bad Day at Black Rock
    1956 Tribute to a Bad Man
    1956 Seven Men from Now
    1956 The Searchers
    1956 Friendly Persuasion
    1956 The Fastest Gun Alive
    1957 The Tin Star
    1957 The Tall T
    1957 The Quiet Gun
    1957 Night Passage
    1957 Decision at Sundown
    1958 Man of the West
    1958 The Bravados
    1958 The Big Country
    1959 Warlock
    1959 Rio Bravo
    1959 Ride Lonesome
    1959 Last Train from Gun Hill
    1959 The Horse Soldiers
    1960 North to Alaska
    1960 The Magnificent Seven
    1960 Comanche Station
    1960 Cimarron
    1960 The Alamo
    1961 The Two Rode Together
    1961 One-Eyed Jacks
    1961 The Misfits
    1961 The Comancheros
    1962 Ride the High Country
    1962 The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
    1962 Lonely Are the Brave
    1962 How the West Was Won
    1963 McLintock!
    1964 A Fistful of Dollars
    1964 Cheynenne Autumn
    1965 For a Few Dollars More
    1965 Shenandoah
    1965 The Rounders
    1966 The Rare Breed
    1966 The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    1966 El Dorado
    1966 A Big Hand for the Little Lady
    1967 The War Wagon
    1968 Once Upon a Time in the West
    1968 Guns for San Sebastian
    1968 Firecreek
    1968 Coogan's Bluff
    1968 Bandolero!
    1969 The Wild Bunch
    1969 The Undefeated
    1969 True Grit
    1969 Mackenna's Gold
    1969 Heaven with a Gun
    1969 Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
    1970 Two Mules for Sister Sara
    1970 Rio Lobo
    1970 Chisum
    1970 The Cheyenne Social Club
    1971 Red Sun
    1971 The Beguiled
    1973 The Train Robbers
    1973 Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid
    1973 My Name is Nobody
    1973 Cahill U.S. Marshal
    1974 Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia
    1975 Rooster Cogburn
    1976 The Outlaw Josey Wales
    1990 Dances With Wolves
    1992 The Unforgiven
    1995 The Quick and the Dead
    2007 3:10 to Yuma
    2015 The Revenant
    2015 The Hateful Eight
     
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  13. JudasMyGuide

    JudasMyGuide A beggar, a hypocrite, Love reign o'er me

    I will write more about your post when I'm home, but you're missing 1968's Il grande silenzio - very atypical, rather dark, somewhat similar to Hateful Eight in fact, with an excellent Morricone score and very demonic Kinski. :) A rather unusual and somewhat forgotten Western, IMHO.
     
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  14. Forostar

    Forostar Conjure the Death Star again

    Nice. It's on my wishlist and hope to see it one time. I'm curious to learn what you see as its strong aspects (although you've already done that) plus the same for other films, without revealing (too much) of the plot of course. ;)
     
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  15. LooseCannon

    LooseCannon Self-propelled artillery Staff Member

    Surprised Django Unchained is not on the list.

    The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is one of the greatest movies of all time.
     
  16. JudasMyGuide

    JudasMyGuide A beggar, a hypocrite, Love reign o'er me

    About Silenzio... well, like you yourself said, I've already mentioned the most stand-out parts, without giving too much away, but... It's a western, yet it's situated in mountains and snow (one of the connections to H8ful8), it's very bleak and depressing (just like H88) however unlike H88
    it doesn't end well, not even remotely.
    Kinski is a wonderful villain here and
    the fact he actually wins in the end
    makes it all the more better. Overall, it's a good deconstruction of the idea of "bounty hunters" (if that one even needed a deconstruction in the first place).

    This one is good, but slightly overrated. The idea might be novel and the movie is refreshingly cynical, but apart from Cooper's and Kelly's performances, I remember too few today.

    Now we're talking. Just like Leone one year before, Peckinpah gave the "old West" his own goodbye. This movie is a macho paradise - a passionate eulogy to the manliest of times, it shows a ... well, "bunch" of men realising they're becoming irrelevant and watching the old West die... so they go out in a spectacular way. Just like pretty much every Peckinpah movie, it's brutal, it's cynical and it's so manly, it just isn't suitable to women at all (except my wife, who's just amazing --- and even she had problems identifying herself with the movie, though).

    Though I've seen the whole Dollars Trilogy, I will comment only on this one so far, because it was the only one I've seen recently enough to be sure what to think about it. Allegedly it's a remake of Kurosawa's Yojimbo, and though I wouldn't know, not having seen Yojimbo myself, it seems as if the inspirational story was from the far East. It's rather static and actually somewhat atypical of Western filmography, IMHO. Eastwood's character is appropriately cryptic. A very subtle movie, indeed.

    Overrated and overlong, out of the movies here I've seen, it's definitely the worst. The theme is good, but IMHO put to better use in Zwick's Last Samurai - here it's just too much. Too long, too fatalistic, to Costner-ish. Not bad and I guess it even deserves its "classic" status, but to me it's the kind of movie you see only once and you don't mind at all.

    This one is rather interesting, because not only it shows Tarantino's talent to create bizarre characters and engage them in bizarre dialogues, but Tarantino said he wanted to create a sequel of sorts to Carpenter's The Thing with this Western... and believe it or not, he more or less succeeded. This movie clicked in many ways with that one. And of course, there's the monologue about SLJ's Johnson. That's awesome too, in a way. I'm wondering whether with the darkness and the eerines of this movie Tarantino actually overdid Reservoir Dogs. Maybe he did.

    That's all for now.
     
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  17. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    There's also at least one piece from The Thing in the soundtrack. I only heard one but I remember someone mentioning there were actually two.

    I found Hateful Eight more engaging and suspenseful than Reservoir Dogs.
     
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  18. JudasMyGuide

    JudasMyGuide A beggar, a hypocrite, Love reign o'er me

    Yeah, I also remember someone talking about two, but the one I noticed was this one:



    Again, obviously intentional.
     
  19. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    Yep that's the one I noticed too. Worked great for the scene too.

    Morricone's score for H8ful was incredible BTW.
     
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  20. JudasMyGuide

    JudasMyGuide A beggar, a hypocrite, Love reign o'er me

    I agree but, let's be honest, using "Morricone" and "incredible" in the same sentence is kind of a pleonasm, isn't it?

    That guy seems to merely - 1.) improve most movies / 2.) raise good movies to heavenly with his music alone / 3.) give appropriate aural backing to the best films of all time. I wish I were his mother so I could be so proud my heart would just explode. :D
     
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